Wednesday, September 13, 2017

Preserve Sierra Madre: Library Building Forum Wed. Sept.13th at 6:00 pm

Mod: An interesting moment in Sierra Madre history has arrived. The notion of preserving this town has always taken two paths. One path was for those who wanted to keep the town the small and quaint residential community it has always been. The other wanted to save such deeply traditional American community services such as the Library. Yet aren't these both really the same thing? I think so. Now, because the vintage local pols who had always led the movement to "Save the Library" have suddenly become strong advocates for its destruction, there is a distinct political shift taking place. And tonight's community forum could be where the consequences of their betrayal become evident. This from Preserve Sierra Madre:

Preserve Sierra Madre has been receiving an increasing number of emails expressing a growing concern from our coalition members regarding the possibility of selling our much-loved Public Library building and moving the Library to a new location on the east side of town near the recreation center.  The existing library building would most likely be demolished, sold to a developer and replaced with a large condominium project.

While no final decision has been made on the Library, there will be a public forum to discuss this option:

Wednesday, September 13th from 6:00 pm to 8:00 pm
Hart Park House - 222 W. Sierra Madre Blvd.

We would encourage our coalition members to attend and ask a lot of questions.  We have a heard much concern about the proposed location for the new library particularly in regards to parking and noise.  We also want to know what has necessitated selling a city-owned asset to a developer after so many years in its current location?   What is the cost to build a new facility and why can't the existing building be upgraded to meet current needs?

Many of us use the library on a regular basis, many of us have donated to the library and many of us placed a "Love the Library" sign in our front yard.  Many of us also understood that one of the reasons we voted for the passage of the UUT tax was to save our library.  We are not sure that demolishing the building was quite what many of us had in mind when we made the decision to show our support for the Library.

Don't forget, "we" are Sierra Madre.  It is our Library and we should have a say about what happens to it.  We don't want to leave such an important decision to the five members of our City Council.  For that reason, we would encourage you to attend this forum and get answers to some important questions.  Preserve Sierra Madre has not taken an official position on this issue yet, but we do have our concerns. Preserve Sierra Madre does take the official position that "We Love Our Library".

Thank you for your support.

Steering Committee

Mod: See you there!

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54 comments:

  1. I don't use the library any more so they can get rid of it.

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    1. Where do you stand on development?

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    2. Seems that a lot of people in this country don't use the library. It shows.

      If you are getting all of your information from flashy mailers, well it's never too late to go get that library card. Waking up stupid every day is no way to live.

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    3. Keep it, move it, burn it.....doesn't matter to me. I found out many years ago that this library is only good for very young children and to some extent leisure readers. When it come to being used for school projects and research papers, it is useless. It is nice on a hot day to escape the heat. By the way, I have 5 library cards and I am not stupid. As for my stand on development. I believe we should follow our General Plan and our codes. If you do not like the R3 standards, where were you when then were being written.

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    4. A rather complicated way of saying "I want them to build condos there."

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    5. This thread exemplifies the problem with this debate. There are two unrelated issues. Development is one (which seems to include the assumption that condos are a done deal if the library building goes). Whether we need the library in its current form is a separate thing. It's possible to be against condos but still feel that our library is archaic and mostly pointless.

      In fact, as to the comment suggesting we're all stupid for not using libraries: for your sake I hope you are not under 80 years old. We have far more efficient and immediate ways to access anything and everything a library building can remotely hold. If you're still getting your info from books in our library, you're painfully less educated than the rest of us. That's not an insult. It's just the way it is. The world changed. You aren't actually debating US on this. You're debating yourself. You have to decide whether you can embrace the world as it is or cling to a fictional version of it for comfort.

      In major companies, law firms, health organizations, libraries that used to take up whole floors now mostly consist of one librarian in a small office with a terminal. And it has arguably resulted in some of the most resourceful research to date.

      Yeah, I get it: If I had voted for the UUT (I didn't) I'd be pretty mad. This is how you use my money to "save" something?

      But, I was always ready to let that place go for a BETTER library. Was the invention of the automobile a betrayal of the horse? Nope. Just a faster and better way to get around. I'd prefer to "love my library" in the 21st century. Train is leaving the station on you, folks.

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    6. So reading books is a bad thing now?

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    7. I'm not sure bunking up the library with the YAC is going to be anything better than what we have now.

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    8. Well said 9:45A. Moving the library doesn't make sense. The money spent to build, move, etc. could be used to repair the library. The vacant lot could be used to build an annex. Or we try to keep what we have as quaint without the need for an outdated library. I can see both sides, actually. The many times I have been to our library to research something, I came up empty. It was disappointing.

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  2. When will they ever televise these things. I'm not saying its not bad if there is limited attendance (prove me wrong fine city) but some other recording of these so called "public" forums shouldn't be so hard to get. It's the 21st century, and everyone has smartphones with video functions, make a darn recording and send it to the Tattler or to a Youtube page so all the citizens of Sierra Madre can really make up their mind. Transparency is all we ask for!

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  3. The library is a jewel in this little town of ours. The current location is much better than on the east side of town. The parking is very difficult by the rec center. It seems a bit noisy too. This is a hairbrained scheme that has not been thought out.

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    1. Agree
      Nice place to go, wander and look at new books to borrow.
      Les expensive than purchasing so many!!

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  4. The library is fine where it is. Leave it alone. That Rob Stockley fellow is at it again.

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    1. Rob loves the library. So much so that he'll drive the bulldozer.

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    2. Q: What happens when you cross a librarian and a lawyer?
      A: You get all the information you want, but you can't understand it.

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  5. 6:17 is chum for the discussion today. Of course you don't mean that if YOU don't want/need/like/use "it" (in this case "the City Library") then it is of no importance. But, then we know that a lot of people really do operate from this position of utter selfishness.

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  6. Too bad they scheduled this at the same time as back to school night at SME.

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    1. The world does not revolve around that school. Did you know that the PSUD charges the city to use the auditorium? There were probably meetings scheduled in the council chambers.

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    2. Speaking of which ..September 13, 2017 at 9:09 AM

      Watchdog blasts Pasadena Unified over how its spending bond money, with some uses ‘clearly illegal’

      http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/social-affairs/20170911/watchdog-blasts-pasadena-unified-over-how-its-spending-bond-money-with-some-uses-clearly-illegal

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    3. 9:09 You're not surprised...I'm not. Vote NO on all Bonds and TAX measures.

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  7. Beware of gifts or what they tell you are gift, it's a old 'political trick' bait and switch come to the propaganda or brain-washing meeting so 'we' can tell you the truth? more like lies piled on top of more lies. This meeting is nothing more than a cover up in motion at best. When people in charge start selling off artifacts of a town or city then it's time to sell them off as well and start a new.

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  8. I want to try and understand why the "Preserve Sierra Madre" group of followers appear to be clueless on the majority of Council discussions.
    If "you" label yourselves as a preservation group, then why are you not current with the how's and why's the Library building has arrived at the cross roads in which it finds itself?
    I would encourage its members to pay attention to what goes on in this town or stop saying "you" preserve; when addressing matters that have been on going for years.
    Yes; attend the meeting.

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    1. Dance, Mr. Bojangles, dance.

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    2. Yes your majesty.I understand and will comply.

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    3. 7:55 comes from an Orwellian world where saving the library means destroying it.

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    4. 7:55 - Just because the City Council is on board with your agenda doesn't automatically make it right. As we have seen in the past, that is often the road to disaster. Blind obedience is only good for the blind.

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    5. "I want to try and understand ...'

      Supercilious ass.

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    6. 7:55, Give me a break! Be informed? I find it hard to find information. It's a stealth operation. Did anyone know that the plan was to demolish the current library? No, The public learned of this from the City Agenda three days before the late at night Council Meeting. Looks to me like the Friends were waiting until the last minute to reveal this information. If moving the Library is such a great idea, why didn't the public know about this plan earlier. No transparency here!

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    7. I find the notion that the City Council is in command of super information far beyond the knowing of mere taxpayers to be hilarious. How long has that triumvirate of old frauds from the 2002 City Council been pushing that baloney? Buzz off, blowhard. It's about the property. Who wants it?

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  9. Why does it cost so much to build wheelchair ramps at the Library. I know some guys who would do that at a tenth of the price.

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    1. Union labor screws cities everytime.

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    2. The city only deals with contractors that contribute to the LA County political machine. In exchange they get a de facto monopoly on projects like this. In a better world that would be known as corruption.

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    3. Uh oh- anti-union guy on an unsupported rampage

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    4. Million dollar wheelchair ramps are so hot right now/

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  10. Does anyone know who wants to buy the property yet?

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    1. Did you buy your lottery tickets yet? You can't win it unless you're in it!

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  11. Maybe hire the Darling House owner to renovate the library?

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    1. Preservation through destruction is a specialty of that guy.

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  12. Preserve the Sierra Madre Fire Department. That's what was agendized on the Council meeting Tuesday.

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    1. The SMFD has a labor action going on right now. They want to be brought up to the level of the PD.

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    2. 9:30 But remember they Love Sierra Madre and it's not about money. LMAO

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  13. Labor action? Lack of water to put out fires or wanting to be contracted out so that CalPERS will be offered?
    The sale of the Canyon Firestation and the Preschool located near the YAC; were mistakes. The two year trial for a Paramedic program has strained General Funds to the point of does the town sell off the Library and Fire Department?

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    1. Maybe the town should sell off its government, use the money to pay off all the debt, then start from scratch.

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    2. Why was the sale of the Canyon fire station a mistake?

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    3. It was sold for $550,000.00 and that sum was supposed to fund the Paramedic program. The city did not have a financial plan for how to continue the funding after that money ran out. The new owner turned around and put it on the market for considerable more but I think they kept it after ll and continue to impact the neighboring residences with turn overs in renters and noise and annoyances. It is not a good building for a residence. Sort of like living in a concrete bunker. It was supposedly going to be the new owner's artist studio. A whole lot of lying going on year after year after year.

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    4. During the Shenanigan Era the elected officials were very impulsive and reckless. How do you think we ended up with all of that water bond debt? Only fools pay interest only on so much borrowed money.

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    5. I have seen a pumpkin fly - I have seen a monkey pie - I have seen the madness in my area...

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    6. The new owner didn't sell because the market crashed and it wasn't worth a fraction of the insanely good price the city got by selling at the market height.

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  14. Are the computers in the Library "Cruz Safe?"September 13, 2017 at 12:44 PM

    Sen. Ted Cruz blames staffer for 'liking' porn video on Twitter
    http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/politics/sen-ted-cruz-likes-porn-video-twitter-article-1.3488752

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  15. 12:44pm. Obvious you dont use Library technology. Firewalls protect Library's from Porn sites; dont want perv's cruising the children's hour.

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    1. Gives a whole new meaning to the term "cruzing."

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    2. That was on twitter
      Does the library block twitter?

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