Friday, September 1, 2017

The Eloi of the Sierra Madre CA Facebook Page

Tasty Eloi
Mod: For the record I have to use one of my son's MacBooks to get onto this Facebook page. A while back I linked up a couple of Tattler articles there, and I was then unceremoniously banned for my crime.

As I have stated before, the Sierra Madre CA Facebook page is what is known in Internet parlance as a "sheep pen." Only certain kinds of special personages are permitted to post there. Just the politically proper persons need apply. Call 'em Eloi.

If you are not familiar with the H.G. Wells book "The Time Machine," Eloi are creatures from a far off in the future kind of place who lead a carefree life of unworldly and oblivious innocence. In time most are dragged into deep caves, cooked in big metal pots, and eaten by some nasty looking and far more pragmatic creatures known as Morlocks.

The Morlocks do enjoy their feasts, and Eloi are such easy prey.

Here is an example of what I'm talking about. Currently on that very Facebook page is a discussion about permits and fees in Sierra Madre. And even within such a carefully monitored pen there is an uneasy awareness that residents of The Foothill Village are paying out the nose, and for just about everything under the sun.

Here is how that conversation started:


Of course you need a permit for everything in Sierra Madre. The city is tens of millions of dollars in debt due to its foolish 2003 Water Bond and CalPERS commitments, along with some other boneheaded financial moves. And City Hall needs every dime they can get their hands on to keep up with such draconian financial demands. Which, by the way, includes using tax money to fund their own retirements.

Permits and fees are a desperately needed revenue stream in the City of Sierra Madre. No different than property and sales taxes, water fines, or the UUT. And, trust me, City Hall can't afford to lose any of them.

With a CalPERS exposure of somewhere between $10 and $40 million dollars depending on who you are talking to at the time (link here for some Gabe Engeland commentary on the topic), plus millions in water bond debt, the need for cash is immense. And as you are aware I'm sure, the cost of all those fees and permits have been steadily going up for years. No matter what reasons are given, once raised they never ever go down.

After the above initial comment was made, 30 some odd additional comments followed. And while many facile reasons for all of those quite expensive permits and fees are given, not a single person there came up with the most obvious answer.


Kind of mind boggling if you think about it. No wonder they voted themselves a big (and quite eternal) utility tax increase. The Eloi have absolutely no idea how their money is actually being spent.

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65 comments:

  1. ...and this is why people lie.....

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  2. If the lies weren't believed they wouldn't be told.

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  3. Doesn't anyone attend City Council meetings?

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    1. No. Why would they?

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    2. insert catchy 5 word response here.

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    3. The City Council engages in bromidic explanations that, if they touch reality at all, are as vague and inconclusive as possible. People would actually show up to meetings if something important was being said. Instead the City Council prefers to lie about things like the reasons for UUT increases.

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  4. The Sierra Madre CA Facebook page is run by Doug Hayes, a former pol and failed City Councilmember personally responsible for the water bond fiasco.

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    1. If you say something about the water bonds Doug will call you mean names.

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    2. Banned from the TattlerSeptember 1, 2017 at 8:32 AM

      "cosmopolitan doug" is awesome on the facebook machine. his general view is that no opinion from outside the city is worthy of consideration and that there is no dollar not properly destined for city spending.

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    3. Doug is here to defend the worst city council this town has ever had. Otherwise why would he care?

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    4. it is not run by doug , he has the sierra madre trading post site

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    5. It is all the same old crowd.

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    6. 12:58 you do not know what you are talking about the founder of the site is not or ever has been part of the same old crowd

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    7. Really? He bans people for the fun of it?

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    8. i would like to know who you think the HE is and why you think he does it for the fun of it !

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    9. Ask your dog.

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  5. Doug, is that true?

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    1. Hayes was on the City Council when the 2003 Water Bonds were cooked. He shared in the decision to make interest only payments for 18 years. It is costing the city $8 million dollars. The Water Dept is broke. According to the City Manager 1 out of every 5 water dept dollars goes to debt. Want to know why the pipes are broke and pump brown water? It's because the department is broke.

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  6. "A pig is a pig and that's that"

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  7. So what's the solution? Yes they have fees but we also don't have a Costco and Home Depot every 10 feet in depressing El Monterey style strip mall desolation. So what's the answer? Seriously wondering....

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    1. The debt has to be paid. There is no way around that. Bankruptcy is not an option. But at least those responsible should be called out. The money comes from your pocket. Don't you want to know the reasons for having to pay so much? And the names of the idiots who put the city into this predicament?

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    2. Bankruptcy is an option. Who are you to say the option doesn't exist? Are you a affiliated with City Hall?

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    3. If the city goes bankrupt it will end up being swallowed by LA County. How much do you think those folks would care about things like preservation, the Library, Concerts in the Park or Baby Rhyme Time? They'd swallow this place up and spit it out. Developers would run wild.

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    4. Bankruptcy is not an option President Trump @ 8:18.

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    5. Easy - just go back and see how the budget was structured for the ten decades before the water bond debt

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    6. How was it structured?

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  8. Mr. Mod: Why do you consider these comments right leaning?

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    1. Get in touch when you start making sense.

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  9. I read the opening paragraph to today's Tattler and immediately had visions of Edvar Munch's the Scream. Shock! Disbelief! What happened to the Mod's right to free speech? Why should he be banned from Facebook? Unbelievable!

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    1. Mod censors this blog too, though he's mostly fair. No speech is truly free unless your talking to yourself

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    2. Mod, what Facebook site/sites banned you? Who runs them?

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    3. Yeah. Somebody calls somebody else a "bitter old drunk," I don't clear it and the commenter squawks about being censored. I don't care. If your post doesn't get cleared go somewhere else and post it. Or just stop the name calling.

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    4. If the shoe fits wear it.

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    5. As a Tattler Research Team member, I have deleted comments from time to time, or have chosen not to clear them in the first place.
      Some of the comments that people post here would curl your hair, gentle readers. The people who write them don't understand that every kind of obscenity is not welcome in the public realm, yet.
      Also, there are a few people who have strange obsessions with our fine moderator, and they express themselves in brutal language.

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  10. The ability to obtain a mortgage to purchase in any given location is based primarily on a percentage of the purchaser's income needed to make the monthly mortgage payments and pay property taxes. Thus, every location at any given time has a cost to live there based primarily on some combination of mortgage payments and property taxes. Call it the "natural cost of homeownership."

    With Prop 13, property taxes are artificially low, so property values (and therefore mortgages and mortgage payments) are artificially high.

    Prop 13 thus causes homeowners to ship a higher percentage of the "natural cost of home ownership" to banks and their wealthy owners to service the higher debt rather than pay local taxes that serve the local community.

    This forces the local community to obtain revenues in other ways.

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    1. A stupid dodge that in no ways explains Sierra Madre's massive CalPERS and Water Bond debt.

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    2. I'm with @8:56.

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    3. Not a dodge at all. Just the truth.

      Rather than paying taxes to fix the water delivery system and other infrastructure, not to mention keeping dollars in the local economy to support local businesses, you're helping wealthy Wall St bankers pay for that fifth or sixth vacation home.

      But hey it's worth it because you get to brag to your East Coast brother in law that your house is worth twice his and you pay half the property taxes he does, ignoring the fact that his family drinks clean water and drives on well kept roads on the way to excellent public schools.

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  11. Doug Hayes was also the councilmen personally responcible for bringing CalPERS into the city. The prior retirement plan that the city employees had was just fine.
    No Sierra Madre would not have Home Depot or strip malls, the zoning won't allow those projects. Although Mr. Hayes and Bart Doyle spearheaded the Downtown Specific Plan, which would have allowed them.
    A forensic audit would have shown where the money was spent; with nothing to show.
    This current council has been gearing up for a push on property taxes. Fortunately the new City Manager wants to tackle various options without increasing taxes (at this time)as the only be all, end all solution.

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  12. Going bankrupt would not end concerts in the park or baby rhyme time; these programs are beautifully run by the County slready in other areas.
    Going bankrupt would lower property values.

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    1. Going bankrupt would mean the corrupt county would be making the decisions on development in Sierra Madre. Only a fool would think otherwise.

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    2. My family and I just moved here after realizing we didn't want to fall under the corrupt and misguided county of LA. Please let's not be swallowed up and lost to such madness! LA county is a nightmare.

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  14. Every time the council meets, you either lose freedoms or it costs you money.

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    1. And they smile so nicely while they do it.

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    2. Dang, 10:04, you nailed it!

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  15. Doug Hayes runs the Sierra Madre Trading Post not the Sierra Madre Facebook Page
    there is allways a some bad postings here and it is always good to check out postings
    any where you read them is see if they are true
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/999582583419505/

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    1. So who runs it?

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    2. look it up , then you will not have to get a answer from someone else who maybe wrong

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    3. I THINK it was started by jon vostenak and when he got too busy a few years ago Robert K Gjerde took over running it

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    4. Regarding: Memories of Sierra Madre Facebook site.
      So is it Robert K Gjerde who deletes posts or Doug Hayes? Or maybe Doug gives the order?

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    6. 7:48 - they're all wrapped around each other like worms in a bait can.

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    7. 7:48 (memories of sierra madre )is not the same site as the (sierra madre face book page ), and 8:12 i doubt if the people even
      they know each other except by name

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  16. 8:41am. Prop 13 protects us seniors who worked all these years to give younger generations a chance to make their own mark in the world.
    Sierra Madre has a very small business district, it has shrunk over the years and basically, the property owners are not locals.
    Everyone knows that cities operate from their business tax district.
    That's why this town is known as a bedroom community and why the Kensington was voted to be located in the business district and not out in the residential area, which would have been the right location.
    Now how does the city of Bradbury operate?

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    1. I didn't work for me

      But I'm not against the prop

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    2. So, 11:55am, those who financially plan properly for old age get to stay because, well, they planned properly. And those who didn't plan properly get to stay, too, but at the expense of the young. Why reward poor planning?

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    3. Are you talking about the Passionists?

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    4. 7:22, Poor planning? Prop 13 is more than bucks. Taxes were 3 times more before Prop 13 became law. You would be paying a lot more taxes today if it were not for Prop 13. Also those Seniors who have lived in Sierra Madre for years have helped to form this community. I personally attended innumerable Council Meetings. Fought against Maranantha on the Mountain, fought for measure V, and fought against the One Carter mess. Sierra Madre would look a lot different today if these measures had been fully passed. If you think the elderly get to stay at the expense of the young, then I think you must have very shallow values. It saddens me to think the torch will be passed onto you who sees seniors as cheapskates who have poor planning skills. Sad, sad, sad.

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  17. The driveway improvements needing a permit discussion on the Sierra Madre FB page never made one thing clear. Why? Although most permits for building are for safety (Universal Building Code standards) Sierra Madre has some codes based on local aesthetics and valued outcomes. A drive-way of gravel turning into an impermeable surface would get some scrutiny today as the city is trying to reduce hardscape in its awareness of ground water capture.

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  18. Moderator, I'll stick with the description of the old biddy bodies that the imparting Council member Joe Mosca gave: the tipsy tots drinking screws.

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    1. Joe was very clever at creating demeaning comments about his supporters, when they couldn't hear him.

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  19. Trolls get trumped again! Regulate this:

    According to The Washington Post, Trump is now reconsidering Obama-era regulations he rescinded weeks prior to Hurricane Harvey that would require federal building projects to take rising sea levels into account before executing said projects and potentially moving them to safer ground.

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  20. People do not seem to know there is more than one sierra madre facebook page , my guess would be 5 maybe more

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  21. Please remember all the city council members along with department heads and staff have to keep telling the 'Big Lie' in order to keep their jobs and pensions, power is addicting also. Your biggest enemy is your City Manager - he and he along pulls the chains and whips on which direction this cities future and finances go!! Either kicking the can down the road like countless other Sierra Madre city managers have done or a new direction takes place, what will it be FOLKS.

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