Saturday, November 11, 2017

Perverted Politics: Alabama Republicans Invoke Biblical Justifications for Child Molestation

Mod: Just when you might have thought politics couldn't possibly get any weirder, along comes an Alabama candidate for the United States Senate, a Judge Roy Moore, and allegations that he had at one time "dated" women as young as a 14 year-old girl. As bad as that might sound, some of the bizarre justifications of his supporters are quite possibly even worse. The following excerpt appeared yesterday in the Washington Post.

As Roy Moore declines to step aside, a tale of two Republican parties emerges (Washington Post link): The reactions to the allegation that Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore initiated sexual contact with a 14-year-old girl when he was a 32-year-old assistant district attorney have highlighted deep divisions within the Republican Party and underscored the growing tribalism that has infected the nation’s politics.

The most remarkable pushback came from Alabama State Auditor Jim Zeigler, who dismissed the allegations by saying that there was also an age gap between the biblical Joseph and Mary. “Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus,” he told The Washington Examiner. “There’s just nothing immoral or illegal here. Maybe just a little bit unusual.”

Zeigler said the allegations, even if true, are “much ado about nothing.” As part of his defense, he argued that Moore “fell in love with one of the younger women” and noted that the woman he wound up marrying later on is 14 years younger than him. “There is nothing to see here,” Zeigler said, predicting that voters would be angrier at The Washington Post for writing the story than at Moore for his behavior. He made another biblical reference: “Zachariah was extremely old to marry Elizabeth and they became the parents of John the Baptist,” he said.

The Republican National Committeeman from Alabama, Paul Reynolds, said that he trusts Vladimir Putin more than Moore’s accusers. “My gosh, it's The Washington Post. If I’ve got a choice of putting my welfare into the hands of Putin or The Washington Post, Putin wins every time,” he told The Hill. “This is going to make Roy Moore supporters step up to the plate and give more, work more and pray more.”

Mod: I'm not sure Jim Ziegler has his story straight on the parentage of Jesus Christ. I was always taught to believe that the true father of Jesus is God, and that Joseph was there to keep an eye on things. But I am no theologian. Here is an account from someone who knows more.

‘Blasphemous’: Prominent evangelist blasts ‘really creepy’ use of the Bible to justify sexual abuse (Raw Story link): Prominent Christian missiologist Ed Stetzer wrote in Christianity Today to slam supporters of Republican senate nominee Roy Moore for the “sheer foolishness” of attempting to use the Bible to rationalize sexual assault.

“Simply put, it is important to make clear that Christians don’t believe the message that is coming from some of Moore’s supporters,” Stetzer fact checked. “Actually, most of us find it really creepy.”

Ed Stetzer, Ph.D., holds the Billy Graham Chair of Church, Mission, and Evangelism at Wheaton College, serves as executive director of the Billy Graham Center for Evangelism and is a contributing editor for Christianity Today.

Stetzer counseled that, “in the midst of an avalanche of accusations against liberal Hollywood that we accept immediately as truth, let’s not brush aside an accusation against a religious right leader. We need to take allegations seriously on all sides of the political aisle.”

Thursday, Alabama State Auditor Jim Zeigler said that, “Even if you accept The Washington Post’s report as being completely true, it’s much ado about very little.”

“Take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus,” Zeigler told The Washington Examiner. “There’s just nothing immoral or illegal here. Maybe just a little bit unusual.”

Additionally, Roy Moore’s brother claimed the Republican senate nominee was being “persecuted” like Jesus Christ.

Stetzer was appalled that some Roy Moore supporters used the Bible to justify sexual abuse of a 14-year-old. “If this is evangelicalism, I’m on the wrong team,” Stetzer charged. “But it is not. Christians don’t use Joseph and Mary to explain child molesting accusations.”

“His statement is so far beyond truth that it would be comical, if it wasn’t so offensive and, let me say, nearly blasphemous,” Stetzer noted. “I want to be clear: this is neither an evangelical view, nor should the Bible be used in this way.”

Stetzer confessed that “anger” might be too light of a word for his feelings. “So, let’s be clear. No. Normal. Evangelical. Believes. This. About. The. Bible.” Stetzer repeated. “And to all you reporters out there, THIS IS NOT WHAT EVANGELICALS BELIEVE.”

Mod: This last cite comes from a Republican author named Max Boot. He is a military historian and foreign-policy analyst who has been called one of the “world’s leading authorities on armed conflict” by the International Institute for Strategic Studies.

Roy Moore response shows GOP deserves to die: Max Boot (USA Today link): You may have thought that Republicans had sunk as low as they could possibly go last year when they nominated for the presidency a man who was singularly unfit, morally and mentally, for that post.

But, no, once you start racing to the bottom you never quite stop. There is always another level of degeneracy to be plumbed. Enter Roy Moore, the Republican Senate candidate in Alabama. He believes that “homosexual conduct should be illegal” and that Muslims should not be permitted to serve in Congress. Now the Washington Post reports that this fearless crusader for “traditional values” had a habit of propositioning underage girls.

In one case in 1979, when he was a 32-year-old assistant district attorney, the Post reports, Moore allegedly offered to watch a “little girl” outside a courthouse for her mother. He subsequently took advantage of this entree to kiss and fondle this 14-year-old after undressing both of them down to their underwear. The statute of limitations has expired on this sordid episode, but under Alabama law it would constitute sexual abuse in the second degree and be punishable by up to a year in prison.

Under common morality, of the kind that Moore claims to champion, his conduct is simply vile. You don’t have to be the parent of teenage girls — which I am — to be deeply disgusted. Yet he is utterly unrepentant. Moore simply waves off the allegations, claiming, “This garbage is the very definition of fake news and intentional defamation.”

On his Twitter feed he has the gall to write, “Our children and grandchildren’s futures are on the line. So rest assured — I will NEVER GIVE UP the fight!” He even has the audacity to send a fundraising appeal to his supporters claiming that the Post article is evidence that “the forces of evil are on the march in our country,” and asking for a donation to fight the “Clinton-Obama machine.”

So far, much to their eternal discredit, Moore’s Republican backers in Alabama appear to be sticking by him. Paul Reynolds, the Republican national committee man from Alabama, told The Hill that he doesn’t trust The Washington Post: “If I’ve got a choice of putting my welfare into the hands of Putin or The Washington Post, Putin wins every time.”

State auditor Jim Ziegler is willing to admit the charges are true, but he doesn’t care. He cited the Biblical story of Mary and Joseph — “Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus”— and concluded, “There’s just nothing immoral or illegal here. Maybe just a little bit unusual.”

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54 comments:

  1. this is one of Trump's creepy birther allies, and a racist who said muslims shouldn't be allowed in congress.

    so many trolls running amuck in America these days

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  2. Alabama State Auditor Who Defended Moore Spoke to Racist Group in 2015

    Alabama State Auditor Jim Zeigler, who this week defended U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore against allegations of molesting a 14-year-old girl by saying they were “much ado about very little,” is not just an apologist for sexual abuse. He has also done his part to legitimize white nationalism.

    Zeigler, an enthusiast of President Trump and a far-right politician even by local standards, gave a major speech in 2015 to the League of the South, a wildly racist group that opposes racial intermarriage, describes egalitarianism as a “fatal heresy,” fantasizes about a coming race war, and says, in the words of its leader, that “organized Jewry” has been behind the South’s problems for a century.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/alabama-state-auditor-who-defended-moore-spoke-to-racist-group-in-2015

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  3. I was taught that in a Democratic country like America, any individual is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law
    I was also taught that Jesus is God in human form, so according to the Moderator, step dads don't count for much when it comes to children.
    Now i'am going to listen to my recordings made by Jerry Lee Lewis, as I get ready to face the world this morning.
    PS: Whataboutism's; what was/is the age of the Lolita Island girls?
    I dont condone child exploitation, the men and women who are legally found to have committed these atrocities should be locked up, key thrown away.
    I just dont support hypocrisy.

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    1. So you are saying no-one should be discussing the perversions of a political candidate unless it is first vetted by a court? Do hypocrisy much?

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    2. I would have to agree it would be hard to live up to God as a stepparent,as he is divine.
      Jerry Lee Lewis was a musician not a Judge running for State Senate.
      The "lotita Girls" are a fantasy as related by trump who was accused of attending with Bill Clinton

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    3. Aw, how cute, jerry married a 13 year old

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    4. Wow. A "whatabout" perv contest.

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    5. Looks like Jerry Lee beat Judge Roy by an entire year.

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  4. Roy Moore defense: Unbuckling the Bible Belt - You're a poser, Alabama. And the Bible Belt is down around your knees. You stamp yourself with the label of God and good and morality, and it means nothing to you.

    http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/11/the_unbuckling_of_the_bible_be.html#incart_river_home

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  5. Roy Moore and Occams Razor (National Review) ... If you believe Moore’s denials, you have to believe that four .. women, with no evidence that they .. ever met .. all decided to lie .. that they all spontaneously made up a story that they were able to recount in detail in multiple retellings .. over a period of weeks, and they all chose to make up similar stories ... so far, no one has been able to point to any contradictions, incongruence, or demonstrably false claims within their stories ...

    A variation of Occam’s Razor declares that the simplest explanation is the most likely one. You can either believe that Moore behaved in the way the women describe – accounting for any faults of memory in the forty or so years since then – or you can believe that they all chose, spontaneously, to partake in an elaborate conspiracy to destroy his reputation, an effort that they no doubt understood would lead to making enemies. For example, yesterday a state representative called for the criminal prosecution of the women making the claims ...

    ... How many teenage girls could bring themselves to make such a consequential accusation against a powerful man who can prosecute someone? ... Henry is demonstrating the .. reason .. victims of abuse are hesitant to come forward: the abuser will .. deny it, call the victim a liar, and .. allies of the abuser will .. denounce the accuser. It is not .. surprising that a victim of inappropriate sexual behavior would hesitate to discuss it publicly for .. many years.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/453629/roy-moore-and-occams-razor

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  6. There's nothing new about these far right-wing religious zealots engaging in the most heinous of criminal behavior, particularly sexual assault, sexual slavery/torture and, in some cases, sexually motivated homicides. It's often perpetrated by someone in the South. Interbreeding, anyone??!

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  7. All this time I considered Jesus a homosexual,now the Evangelicals point out that he was only a child molester. Lord have mercy.

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    1. Jesus had two daddies!

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  8. Madness is the result when we accept this Evil!

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  9. If these lying sacks of stupidity actually believed their own preaching, they would be terrified of Judgement Day! They are all HYPOCRITES!

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    1. They will ANSWER for this

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  10. Putin outs Trump for lyingNovember 11, 2017 at 8:10 AM

    Putin: Trump did not bring up election meddling

    President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin did not discuss alleged election meddling on Saturday, despite Trump saying they did, according to Putin’s office.

    “No,” Putin's press secretary Dmitri Peskov told CNN when asked, “as far as you know, did the two leaders discuss meddling?"

    Trump and Putin met on the sidelines of the annual Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation Economic Leaders' Meeting in Vietnam. When asked about his meeting with Putin, Trump told reporters on Air Force One that Putin denied attempting to influence the 2016 presidential election.

    “I just asked him again,” Trump said. “He said he absolutely did not meddle in our election, he did not do what they are saying he did.” The U.S. intelligence community has concluded that Russia sought to influence the 2016 presidential election in favor of Trump.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/359893-putin-trump-did-not-bring-up-election-meddling

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    1. Why would putin even give a sh1t! Why would he even feel the need to have an opinion?

      Because they are all billionaires exploiting the common man

      This is the swamp

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  11. The 11th month, The 11th Day, The 11th Hour....Armistice Day Veterans Day

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  12. Classic Idolatry: Men creating God in Man's image, rather than the other way around, as required by Faith!

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  13. Legally adults; where the "comfort women" that claimed they gave Trump a golden shower in Moscow, the same accusers of Judge Moore?
    Difficult to follow all the journalists reporting or spin; I'll have to keep a dossier.

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    1. Pretty far fetched.

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    2. Breaking: There Are Dozens Of Trump Sex Tapes
      http://news.groopspeak.com/breaking-there-are-dozens-of-trump-sex-tapes/

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    3. I seriously doubt that a 14 yo child Judge Roy abused in Alabama traveled to Russia to pee on the president 50 years later.

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    4. Standard idiotic post from 8:24.

      Idiots do what idiots do; they're just incapable of perceiving what idiots do.

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    5. That’s the original Trump troll. Don’t mind it

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  14. VETERANS DAY
    “Almighty God, You know every veteran by name. You know their deeds, their hard work, and their perseverance. You know their needs, both material and spiritual. Please draw each one closer to you and grant them all the peace that passes understanding (Philippians 4:7), the peace of Christ to rule in their hearts (Colossians 3:15), and ‘joy in your presence, with eternal pleasures at your right hand’ forevermore (Psalm 16:11).”

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    1. Sorry, Christ did not promote killing.

      No ‘eternal pleasures’ await.

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  15. People, this is a sad damn day in American political history! Trying to use the Holy Bible to justify pedophilia for this jackass Roy Moore , running for U . S . senator from Alabama! Come on Alabama voters! Anyone supporting this crap is going down the wrong damn side of history!

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  16. Trump careens off script on Russia after Putin meeting --- President Donald Trump stayed on script for more than a week as he crisscrossed through Asia — and then Russian President Vladimir Putin showed up.

    After chatting with Putin on the sidelines of the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation summit here, Trump abandoned the diplomatic tone the White House had carefully scripted for his five-country tour, once again contradicting the overwhelming consensus among current and former U.S. officials that the Russian leader manipulated the 2016 election.

    In a 26-minute question-and-answer session with reporters aboard Air Force One, the president managed to dismiss probes into whether his campaign colluded with Russia as an “artificial Democratic hit job,” said he believed Putin's insistence that Russia did not attempt to meddle in the 2016 electon, and warned that the continued focus on Russian election meddling risks lives.

    The president’s comments immediately reignited the politically volatile debate over Russia’s alleged efforts to propel Trump into the White House — and distracted from the administration’s Asia messaging.

    "I am disturbed that our president believes a KGB agent and continues to refuse to believe the CIA. I can never remember a time in our history when this was so. I hope Trump's national security team will be more forceful in convincing the president of the basic facts of Russia's violation of our sovereignty last year,” said Michael McFaul, a professor of political science at Stanford University, who served as the U.S. Ambassador to Russia from 2012 to 2014.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/11/trump-russia-putin-people-will-die-244801

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  17. 8:30am. Thank-you.

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  18. It's been about a year and still no Russian Collusion.
    It's a Democrat smoke and mirrors "hit job".

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    1. Patience, cupcake. Just because US intelligence agencies say it is so, along with numerous other US officials, and from both parties, is no need to get all fretful. Your big day is going to come.

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    2. 9:28 - You believe Putin over our intel agencies? That means you are calling our military intel agencies liars including:

      -Air Force Intel
      -Army Intel
      -Coast Guard Intel
      -Marine Corps Intel
      -Navy Intel

      On #VeteransDay?

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    3. Sally Yates‏Verified account
      @SallyQYates

      POTUS embraces Putin yet again telling world he believes former KGB agent’s denial of attack on our election over our own Intel public servants, calling them “political hacks.” Disturbing and shamelessly unpatriotic, on Veterans Day no less.

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    4. President Bone Spurs could care less about our military. His closeness to Vladimir Putin makes me fear having my children join the military. It would be dangerous to serve while the country is being run by a traitor.

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    5. Trump Sides With Putin Over U.S. Intelligence On Election Meddling
      https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-putin-election-hacking_us_5a06de14e4b01d21c83ebdf7

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    6. Cut Trump some slack. Who among you contradicts your boss?

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    7. Putie can be a little harsh sometimes. Ask the families of all the people he has killed.

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    8. Should we investigate Benghazi again?

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    9. I don’t believe the intel agencies either- they lied about Iraq, Vietnam, Cuba, the battleship Maine, could go back another century

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    1. Pretty harsh. Especially coming from someone who dodged military service.

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  20. Was the (alleged) pervert married when he (allegedly) did what perverts do?

    What is the Biblical punishment for adultery? Does the Bible contain a statute of limitations that enables the adulterer to avoid punishment? Are concealing adultery and lying about it additional sins?

    Will those who are citing the Bible agree that the (alleged) adulterer should receive the Biblical punishment for adultery? Will they call for the Biblical punishment to be carried out? Will they help carry it out?

    So many questions that self professed Bible experts haven't answered yet.

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  21. So are those sick #%&%s who say the Bible approves saying their teenaged daughters, nieces, and granddaughters are available for grown men? Sick.

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  22. GOP fears Roy Moore will cost them a Senate seat: After the allegations against Roy Moore, and his subsequent response — in which he didn't rule out dating teenage girls while in his 30s — "some GOP political operatives fear Roy Moore could lose the race" and cost the party a Senate seat, AP reports.

    What we're hearing: A Republican close to Senate Republican leadership believes the party's effort to get Moore out of the race will fail: "McConnell and his colleagues do not have the backbone to take on Bannon. ... This is good practice for getting ready to be in the minority." Oof!

    Per AP: Moore "emphatically rejected increasing pressure to abandon his Senate bid as fears grew among GOP leaders that a once-safe Senate seat was in jeopardy just a month before a [Dec.] 12 special election."

    "Asked if that would have been usual for him, Moore said, 'Not generally, no. ... I don't remember ever dating any girl without the permission of her mother."

    Be smart: If you're in your 30s and you need to ask the mother's permission, date someone else.

    https://www.axios.com/republicans-worry-roy-moore-will-cost-them-a-senate-seat-2508618399.html

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  23. If Moore is innocent and the women are lying as he claims, he should put his faith in the judiciary that he headed as Alabama's Chief Justice and waive the statute of limitations.

    Barring that, I hope the women sue him for slander/defamation and refuse any settlement until after they take his video deposition.

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    1. Prayer works. All he needs to do is pray

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  24. Moore suffers not from Pedophilia but Ephebophilia. Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Ephebophilia is the primary sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19.

    As far as we know, anyway.

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    1. He also suffers from being a corrupt racist

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  25. How many women are required to come forward in order to be believed?
    In Islamic law, 4 women equal the testimony of 1 man. I think the required number is larger in America.

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    1. Keep on thinking...

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    2. Clearly, in America, the number is 50, as the Cosby scandal showed.

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  26. Unless they’re on a horse anyone who wears a cowboy hat is an A-hole

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