Friday, February 2, 2018

Your Library Survey Card Should Have Arrived By Now


The long wait is over. Or at least it ought to be. If you haven't received anything yet you might want to call City Hall and let them know you didn't get a Library survey card. It is yellow and looks like the photo of an actual card we posted above.

A number of people I know took pictures of their Library survey cards and sent them here as proof that they had received their copies. One resident also included the following observation with their email:

I'm going to mail ours back with a couple of notes attached. Can't make a decision without the $$$$ facts.

It is a good point. This is an important transparency issue that has been discussed here often, and by a number of commenters. It was also raised by folks at both of the well-attended Library Forums. The question being how can you give informed answers on this matter without first knowing what the costs associated with relocating the Library are going to be?

Some of the most important facts were never supplied by the city, which will make giving accurate answers problematic for many. It also raises questions about why cost issues were left out of this rather lengthy process. Were those who favor moving forward with the Library project fearful such information would convince people that this is a luxury an already heavily indebted city cannot afford?

After all, that some of the individuals responsible for adding to Sierra Madre's already radical financial challenges (One Carter lawsuits, millions of dollars in water bond debt) are also behind this project can be problematic. Their efforts to sell off the Library property and move everything somewhere near the Arcadia border, and without any financial reporting on how this is to actually get done, has made some functioning adults understandably uneasy.

You might also want to jot something about this on the address side of your card before you post it off to Colorado. Of course, being from so remote a locale they might not actually care, so perhaps you should also send a photocopy of your observations to City Hall and let them know, too.

It's a lot like being asked to buy a car without first knowing what the monthly payments are going to be. You can't always go with just the color, leather appointments, or how it makes you feel.

Here is a question that was emailed here to Tattler World HQ by another reader.

I don't see a mail-in deadline on the survey ... do you?

Here are the instructions that came along with the Library survey card. And as far as I can tell our commenter has asked a very good question. There is no deadline info supplied.


I am going to assume that you should send your Library survey card back sooner rather than any later. But a date would have been comforting to those who might want to take a minute and think this all over. Or procrastinate.

I have sent a note to the City Manager asking that question and I'll share with you whatever answer I get on mailing deadlines.

If you think it is a good idea you can also let everyone know how you answered the questions on your card by posting something about it here. This might help those who are having difficulty making their decisions.

If you have any questions let me know and I will forward them to the City Manager. I'll them post the answers in the comments section today once I've received them.

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56 comments:

  1. We received "A", like in one Library questionnaire card in the mail. Anyone see the problem here with that? Again the city has managed to cause problems in our household. There is more than on RESIDENT in our house and only one questionnaire card. As is sometimes the case my husband and I see this a little different and would like our individual reply's heard, not one agreed upon by both of us. How should I handle this, let him fill it out or what?

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    1. I would go to a good copy shop and have them print out a new one on the same color card stock. Then each of you can mail one in.

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    2. Discuss it over dinner like a real family would and come to a decision on your own would be my advice.

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    3. I belong to a real family and we sometimes disagree about things. I personally think that is good and healthy. That whole Stepford thing doesn't work for me.

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    4. The card says the person whose had the most recent birthday. Not the next birthday.

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    5. Do you need to show your birth certificate?

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  2. I am still thinking about how to answer. It seems like a big jump between "Somewhat Important" and "Not At All Important." There should have been something in-between that said "Meh."

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  3. We only got one questionnaire in the mail and there are 3 of us who vote, which resident gets to fill it out?

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    1. How about you do musical chairs? The winner gets to fill out the card.

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    2. It says, if you read it, the one who most recently had a birthday!

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  4. The library mailer does not have a deadline, just as the invitations to the Wine Tasting fund raiser did not have a location printed out, only the time of event.
    Both informational card and invitation are sent out from the supposed; people in the know or people that are connected to the library.
    They receive a failing grade for not being clear and concise.
    For these minor infarction's I cannot support pouring more money into a move of the current location.
    Ah yes, no mention of the costs that would be incurred.
    Nope, time to rethink who is in charge for oversite on proff reading and book learner lovers of education!

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  5. Should the current 2018 junta controlling Sierra Madre city hall even consider the facts individual voters are being cut out of this 'mail back post cards' concerning the library this is how the results can be skewed in favor of city hall and the lies they want to spread. Another thought who really knows if ALL those returned cards really make it back to be counted correctly? It's happened before!

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  6. 7:18, it is people like you that make it fun to come on here, thanks for the smile you gave me. Hope you have a fun day.

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    1. It's Friday! Hard to mess that up.

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  7. Hello posters. The Wine Tasting DOES have the time, date and location printed out. I contrnd this is ghe best City Council and City Manager we have ever had, but I do agree about the library survey.

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    1. On the development question this is a very good city council. And that is the most important question we face now. That said, look at who this city council followed. Walsh, Moran, Buchanan, Mosca. The neighborhood coyotes and skunks would have been an upgrade from that bunch.

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    2. 7:43 -- can you tell us how the money raised from the wine tasting is going to be spent?

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    3. I didn't see any poster at 7:18 am is this really city hall answering?

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    4. Each year, the Library Director asks the Friends of the Library for monies for special programs. The past few years, $55,000 has been budgeted from the Friends. This is listed in the City's Annual Budget. Approx. half of that money comes from the Wine Taste. The rest comes from the Art Fair and the Used Book Sales. These funds are spent on support for programs old and new, library equipment such as computers, training and development for staff, books, audio books, videos, and the summer reading program. Money for the building itself will come from an endowment fund and/or a designated fund raiser.

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    5. OOPs, the many people who proofed the poster didn't catch that the venue is omitted. We all assumed, I guess, that everyone knew the event would be held at the Villa del Sol d'Oro. (Alverno) as it has been for several years. Place and address is printed on the tickets. Event is Friday, February 16th. Hope you come, it will be great as usual.

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  8. This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

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    1. Calling people "a-holes" is indecorous behavior.

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    2. Mod...doesn't your post sort of cancel out the removal of the offending post? Might as well have left the post and just wagged your cyber finger at whoever the poster was. Now we all know what it said anyway.

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  9. Reading the library question card I wonder if my vote counts more if I use it 5 times a week or not in the last 35 years? It is so easy to criticize after the work is done, but?

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  10. I would guess the City Manager has to work with what the people submitted to City Hall. Sierra Madre picked well with the new CM, he seems to be fair to all.

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  11. How many signatures would it take to put this question on the ballot? As nice as it is to know peoples feelings, a real vote would bring an end to this nonsense.

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  12. Don't worry about the return deadline. I'm sure the survey company already has plenty of cards filled out with the "correct" answers.

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    1. If three hundred people send in their cards, 200 of them will be from the "Friends" mailing list. It is a numbers game.

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  13. For the top section, I am answering that I can not make an informed decision without knowing the financial costs associated with each option including over runs and maintenance.

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  14. 7:43am. Not the flyer that we received in our mailbox.
    It said you could go on line.
    How about good old fashion printing out the info.

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  15. 7:51am On the development question?
    Because of the water moratorium there is no development. That has nothing to do with this council.

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    1. This council instituted the building moratorium based on lack of water. There was no "water moratorium".

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    2. Good point 10:27, but do you think Andy the Realtor would be better?

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    3. The water moratorium will dry up fast if Arcadia Andy gets elected. He's here to make money for realtors and developers. You, on the other hand, are not part of the in crowd.

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  16. This is a property sale survey not a cost analysis for moving the library. Do you want the property sold or not...no sale, one parcel or both parcels. That's it.

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    1. How do you leave the money equation out of a decision like this?

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  17. This survey also asks about the moving of some current services to other city locations.
    This may be translated as restoring the recreational programs that were broken up and added to the librarians duties.
    I am voting B.

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    1. It is the only choice that makes sense.

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  18. Without adequate financial information, the whole idea is nothing but a pig in a poke.

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  19. It may be slanted or poorly worded or lacking info but if you don’t make clear that you don’t want the library sold (assuming that’s your position) you may as well not vote and the pro-sale votes will prevail because they’re going to turn in their ballots with a vote. Not voting or only writing comments condemning the survey wording because you donl’t have all the info is a non vote and will likely be counted as such.

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    1. This was designed to enable a narrative city hall has already decided on. The information will be interpreted their way no matter how you answer these questions. The only way to stop the madness is go over their heads and put this on the ballot.

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  20. 12:48pm. So you want over development for Sierra Madre?
    Typical of the "dirts" which you are.

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    1. You need to have your comprehension deficiency looked at.

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  21. Vote for B even if WE don't know what ANY of the costs will be. That choice will cost less, be less disruptive to the fabric of Sierra Madre and maintain a civic presence from West to East across town.

    As far as the number of ballots: can't be sent to just registered voters (some library users may not vote--as per their religous convictions); can't be sent to all people in the house hold (who is counting noses on that one)...Only fair way is one per physical address/household (if you live a bootlegged garage rental...oh, well!). Don't get yourself all exercised: Vote. Join voices under one roof and send in your "survey" card.

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  22. There is a control number in the box on the lower right side of the survey card. If you try to zerox more so all your house members can voice their opinion how on earth do you plan to cook up the extra control numbers. That would be one way to sabotage the whole process if that is what you are after. That would be a bad idea.

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  23. Today we have learned that our own government has and will go after anyone without due process.
    That's pretty big news.
    How can we fight dishonesty on the level of City Hall when the US Government has been caught based on non vetted information.
    How can we question the Library Trustees on lack of full disclosure when the memo on the FBI is not acknowledged?

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    1. Democracy is being subverted at many levels. We've become a survey card society.

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  24. I support keeping the current library building - even EMPTY - if it means SM Blvd can avoid gradually devolving into a version of Foothill or Route 66, with bland condos, storage companies, etc.

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  25. The Dow was down 666 points today. Maybe that explains the unseasonable heat.

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    1. That particular number explains a lot

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  26. Put an antenna on the library grounds ti support the technology updates, this will supplement the costs from Edison.

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  27. 12:25pm. Leave the wine tasting for the 16th of February!

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