Monday, April 2, 2018

Preservation has put at least $200,000 into the pockets of every longtime Sierra Madre homeowner

If the City Council election in Sierra Madre was being discussed at an adult and rational level, there would be different topics for people to talk about. And at the top of that list should be the extraordinary increase in property values here over the last few years, and how that happened. It is a remarkable story, and in many ways a unique one. It certainly hasn't happened everywhere.

Below is a chart from Zillow (link) that shows just how radical and relentlessly consistent property value increases have been in Sierra Madre since 2012.


Here is a little additional information from Zillow that sheds some light on what has been going down.

The median home value in Sierra Madre is $1,008,000. Sierra Madre home values have gone up 6.5% over the past year and Zillow predicts they will rise 2.3% within the next year. The median list price per square foot in Sierra Madre is $576, which is much higher than the Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim Metro average of $420.

There has been nothing quite like Sierra Madre's success story anywhere else. But how did this happen? What has made the good fortune of Sierra Madre homeowners so much better than that of their fellow residents living in the San Gabriel Valley?

There have been a number of factors. But perhaps the leading cause for the rapid and dramatic increase of home values here has been community preservation. Unlike neighboring towns that succumbed to such scourges as mansionization, or a stack and pack mixed use style of development, Sierra Madre remained what it had always been. A wonderfully eclectic mix of traditional, and at times even idiosyncratic, homes.

The people of Sierra Madre, or at least some of them, made a conscious decision to prevent the town from changing too much. In many ways Sierra Madre has remained the place that time forgot. And because it did many hopeful homebuyers are now willing to pay stunning amounts of cash to live here.

Sierra Madre never underwent the wrenching development disasters places like Arcadia and Pasadena experienced. Rather this town has succeeded greatly by changing as little as possible, despite intense pressure from predatory development and real estate interests.

The purchase of a home in Sierra Madre is the best investment many of the hard working people living here ever made. But can that last?

The 2018 City Council Election

The sad irony is only a relative few of those who have benefited greatly by the preservation of Sierra Madre understand that such things could quickly unravel, and this month's city council election could be where it all begins to go south.

The one non-incumbent candidate in this race, Andy Bencosme, has been running an issue-free campaign designed to appeal to people who don't know anything, and feel uncomfortable around those that do. He is having some success as few here care enough to grapple with the real issues.


As an example, a volunteer campaigning for a preservationist incumbent has been having some fairly unsettling conversations. Here is one she shared with The Tattler.


I've had a number of conversations about the election. Distressing to learn that one mother of an 8 or 9 year old had already voted, and she voted for Andy because “he has kids here.” Andy is working the parent angle. She also said she wasn’t opposed to all development, as though we were, and inferred that it was unreasonable to keep a good father off the council.

Astonishing voting criteria, right? Then there is this:

Two different people have told me about Andy’s stance on the library, approvingly. He did himself a lot of good with his damn mailer. Don't they understand his word is useless, and that he completely flip-flopped on the library issue? 

No, of course they don't. And even if they somehow did care enough to learn the real story, where would they turn to find out? The information-free Mountain Views News?

That modest amount of people in Sierra Madre who actually know something are aware that Andy Bencosme is a former two-time president of the Arcadia Association of Realtors, a highly financed development pressure group that bears direct responsibility for many of the ugly mansionization disasters causing so much controversy in Arcadia

The AAR also pushed fiercely for a project here that would have leveled much of Sierra Madre's classic downtown area and replaced it with the kind of generic piles found most everywhere else in the SGV. The only thing that stopped them was Measure V.

Which is why Sierra Madre is different today from much of the rest of northern Los Angeles County, and potential homebuyers are so willing to pay crazy money to live here.

But look, people vote against their own interests all the time. Whether because they're poorly informed, irrationally resentful over something, or just fools. It hardly matters which. 

There is a ton of money to be made in Sierra Madre should the barriers to predatory development crumble. But not by you. Development and real estate interests are spending a ton of dough on Andy Bencosme hoping to make it happen, all while keeping that property values thing on the down low.

It really could happen. There likely are enough clueless people willing to cast the necessary votes to bring all of that crashing down. 

And who knows, maybe they already have.

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128 comments:

  1. Thank you Mod for this brilliant explanation of what the April 10th election is all about. We can continue to have sensible development and preserve our previous town by re-electing the three incumbent candidates or we can destroy what makes Sierra Madre so special if the over developer's closet candidate is elected.

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  2. How come none of the incumbents have brought this up?

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    1. Maybe they don’t want to run a dirty campaign?

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    2. When did the truth become dirty, 12:57?

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    3. Precisely. There are people in this town who will smear you six ways to Sunday for daring to tell the truth.

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  3. Sierra Madre has always been clueless, with the Invasion of the Body Snachers, the town's residents were replaced with Pod people.
    It pays to know your history of the town and the leading factor of celestial property values.

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  4. The incumbents do not want to run a negative campaign so they are running on their many accomplishments; Preserving sensible development, bringing in a most effective new City Manager, reducing the city budget by close to one-million dollars a year, eliminating some of the high paid city administrative positions, solidifying the police and fire departments, re structuring our water bond debt which will save us thousands and thousands of dollars, finally starting to replace the water mains and making other infrastructure improvements, and the list goes on.

    I hope the positive campaign strategy of the three incumbents, Rachelle Arizmendi, Denise Delmar, and Gene Goss, works. It will if the voters get the message that we have the best team on the city council that we have ever had and we need to keep them together.

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    1. How is discussing the dramatic increase in property values, brought about by the kinds of community preservation put into place by this city council, in any way negative? Sometimes a "positive campaign strategy" can be misunderstood. In this case some might perceive it as saying nothing much at all. Done out of a fear of offending people who don't like them very much anyway.

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    2. 7:34, in theory I couldn't agree more about not getting negative.
      Then it comes out that Bencosme is funded by lots of outside interests.
      That Goss is conducting a "only vote for me" campaign behind the others' backs.
      That Bencosme has done a full 180 turn on the library, going from supporting the sell to opposing it when he "recalculated."
      And the only place you'll find that out is on the Tattler?

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    3. It has been my experience that when somebody complains about someone going negative it is because that person is saying something the complainer is trying to keep hidden.

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  5. Getting something for nothing is what this article is about. Politics is a very slimy game these days as you have seen with results in Washington D.C. today. This tactic of playing one group against the other is only a ploy and the results will be the same of robbing and stealing from the tax paying residents to only have thee crooks steal from this cites tax coffers to feed their own pockets along with developer Friends the results will be the same destruction and building on a grand scale in Sierra Madre, Ca. As for the bost of gaining $200,000.00 is only a shame you have to pay taxes on your increased sale prices so they got you coming and going. Good luck on find some honest candidates to fill those city council seats, suggestion let all the candidates take a polygraph test so the honest ones can stay to be elected.

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    1. Umm, is it just me or does this comment not make very much sense?

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    2. Understanding the basic problem in the first place would help to clear the poster's comments 7:57 AM..

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  6. Has anyone been giving thought to "bullet voting?" There are only two authentic preservation candidates running. Gene Goss is doing his usual "I'm everybody's friend" routine, which is how he always runs his false flag pro-development campaigns. I am only voting for two candidates.

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    1. Not only is Gene Goss using his "I'm everybody's friend", he has asked those people who have put up signs to not put up any other signs. One man told me when I asked to put out Delmar and Arizmendi signs along with his Goss sign, said, "Gene is my friend, and we had a long talk so I am not putting out any other signs." How's that for someone who professes to restore civility to the council. To undermine his fellow council members reminds me of a snake in the grass. Remember, Gene has come out and said that he is for property rights and has argued during discussion of the new zoning laws to soften the requirements. Thank goodness for Denise Delmar to be forceful enough to truly preserve Sierra Madre.

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    2. What a coincidence. Andy says he is for "property rights" as well. Property rights meaning you can come in here from anywhere and build anything you want, while those who already own homes here are completely without any rights at all.

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    3. 8:33AM That has happened to us. Someone came to the door and said we should take down the Delmar sign as Goss was a good buddy of Benscome (sp). I was appalled, so I took the Goss sign down. What has Goss done in his 4 years? Someone out there enlighten me.

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    4. Andy has 2 sign on city property again.

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    5. I think that might be a privately owned parking lot, adjacent to the city owned one.

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  7. The City is in sad shape, years of poor management; including this current council not addressing many of the areas of neglect, only rubber stamping.
    This Council's approach of leading from what you are told from those in charge, rather than checking into the inner workings of the nuts and bolts of how this town arrived in the state of affairs it now is facing, is exactly why changes need to come about.
    Most of the management team of the town abandoned ship, they realized that the town is sinking and on shaky financial ground; not even the current UUT can keep the ship afolat.
    The best thing to happen in years was the newly hired City Manager.

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    1. Have you ever considered, 8:07 that the retired City Manager is the cause of the poor management? Not the current council. Look how much has been accomplished since she left. I look forward to at least 2 more years of the current council working together to truly see the best progress we've had in years.

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  8. Me too 7:49, Delmar and Arizmendi. Goss is running a slimy campaign against the other two, promoting Andy by omission of the other two.

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    1. Goss strikes me as one of those guys who is smart enough to realize that if he opens his mouth he'll make a fool of himself.

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    2. 8:10A & 8:17 A. You are both right on!

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    3. The city of Bradbury has a city hall it's a converted house and they contract all police & fire to save money for the home owners and voters.

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  9. The town of Bradbury is doing just fine, they don't have a city hall or manager; just a history of large property values.

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    1. They’ve also got a gate to keep everyone out
      MABA!

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  10. I’ll give this another try. It seems I got bumped before finishing my comment. ,,,, If I was a first time parent with young kids I would also vote for another parent, makes sense. I think the new residents with kids are forgetting something, us long term residents are not just parents, we are grandparents and great grandparents. The town you new parents were attracted to is the town we have been working hard to preserve. All residents, PLEASE look at all the facts and vote whats good for the town you moved here for and not because the candidate has kids or worked with your kids. Vote for the 3 incumbents that have a proven record of getting this town back to some form of financial solvency.

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    1. 8:12A You are spot on !

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  11. 8;07 needs to do more research. Look at all the past council members for the last 20 years and look at where they show up now and who they support. Look at the work done by the present council and realize how much they have done and the work they are talking about getting done in the next 4 years., Someone appears to not want their work to continue. I’m voting for the incumbents.

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  12. 8:12am. The retired grandparents also pay for the UUT.
    Grandparents no longer hold down full time jobs, taking care of the grandkids is a joy.
    Not only has the older generation worked for preservation they continually pay out of their retirement funds to keep the town financial solvent.
    It is time for the younger generation to pick up the pace and maybe a larger percentage of the UUT.

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  13. Hey Tattlers, are you aware that the Mountain Views News has endorsed the re-election of all three candidates?

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    1. Yes. Henderson always endorses the side she thinks will win. It's not personal.

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    2. Hilarious that nobody noticed.

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    3. Noah Pants for council 2018!

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  14. 8:42am. Lol, what does that tell you?

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  15. 8:40am. Are you aware that the City Manager, manages at the will and direction of the City Council?

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    1. That is the theory. As we saw with the Nancy Walsh council the City Manager scripted the City Council. The results were predictably disastrous.

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    2. If you think the city manager manages at the will and direction of the city council, you haven't been around the past few years to see the back-room goings on of the last city manager.

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  16. That "opposed to all development" drives me crazy. It's the oldest smear in the book against preservation, as though No Growth is actually a principle that is held by the Sierra Madre preservationists. No one I know wants No Growth.

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  17. Does SM city mgr make ridiculous salary like Arcadia Lazzareto ?

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    1. Gabe makes about half of what The Lazer makes. Salaries in Arcadia are insane. Thank Bulldozer and the housing cop.

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    2. Go to www.votejollywu.com under The Truth to look up Larzer's and other's salaries.
      It will make people's eyes wide opened. It is unlike Roger's volunteers said that our city staffs are under paid.

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    3. @9:13. You may say that, but when you support the policies that the PC has passed, then development is nearly impossible. You’ve essentially created so much red tape and expense that developers do not want to build and homeowners can’t even remodel unless they are financially elite. If you wish to add a bedroom to your home and it’s built before 1944, you need a discretionary demolition permit, a conditional use permit, a certificate of appropriateness, a historical survey and of course a public “hearing” by preserve Sierra Madre, I mean the planning commission.
      When you get through all that bullshit, you can then start paying the insane fees that have been set forth for the privilege of building or repairing a home.
      You may not care, but when the earthquake eventually hits, and al these “historic” homes get massively damaged, they will not be fixed, they will be leveled. Hopefully not too many people are injured or killed by “preservation”.
      I’m not advocating the wholesale destruction of old homes, but what you have lobbied for and achieved will in fact bite the residents in the ass. It already has, just ask anybody attempting a project in this town.

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    4. What can I say? Slow growth is making home owners rich. Try taking your complaints to them. Good luck.

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    5. 1:34, there are many other cities that are eager to have your services.

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    6. 1:48 you dont speak for 11000 people. Me being one of them you don’t represent. I believe people shave a right to a safe home. And to improve it how they see fit. If the city votes to do a survey of the actual historic homes in the city I would be all for it. However a blanket policy with this nonsense is wrong and over reaching. And dangerous.

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    7. I agree that Bulldozer needs to stay away, but from I’ve seen the Arcadia cops get 2.25% raises each year, pretty low. Someone explain to me how Bulldozer is helping them out, 2.25 is less than cost of living increase. Must be something else that’s part of the contract that I’m not aware of.

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  18. 9:19am. With that rationalization, the property values in Arcadia should be much higher than Sierra Madre.

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    1. If you go to Zillow and look up Arcadia you'll see they hit a severe slump at the same time Sierra Madre took off. Now that reasonable housing rules have been put in place in Arcadia property values have recovered.

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    2. Arcadia is on a slump due to over speculation. Just like Sierra Madre in 2008, and before.

      It’s a thrilling headline but not truly accurate argument, Mr. Maundry.

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    3. Can explain your point?

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    4. Sure- the real estate market goes up and down. Mostly up. The tattler headline is based on selected stats to suggest causation. I’m no pro-development. But a more solid and accurate argument could be made.

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    5. I disagree. Property values in Sierra Madre are out performing just about every city in the area. Go do some research.

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    6. south pas exceeds SM

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    7. Another city that takes preservation seriously.

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    8. Before I ‘go do’ some research, can’t you provide stats to support your claim?

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    9. You're the one with all the questions. I don't see why you think I owe you something. Go do your own work.

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    10. 12:01 / 1:57- just like a Trumper, as we expected. All talk and no walk.

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  19. Newcomers have no idea about the struggles that have gone into this town.
    It got so bad that the residents removed the right to approve large scale development in the downtown from the hands of any council, and put those matters into the residents' hands. That's a big deal when you think of it that way.

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    1. We newcomers are paying for your oldtimers’ poor financial judgment and debt. Our votes count just as yours.

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    2. Did someone say your vote didn't count? It's the lack of information that is worrying.

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    3. Yes. A destructive vote still counts as one vote.

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    4. There was not much to be done with past CC except to vote them out, which was done. 10:34A No one said your vote doesn’t count but did you move here for the environment or to see three story building in downtown and condo’s and huge houses on small lots? That’s what’s at stake. It should be a law that realtors need to discuss city taxes, etc. with newbies. You are sadly misinformed.

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    5. Old timers blew it or the city would be in good financial shape

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    6. The Downtown Specific Plan called for FOUR (4) story buildings all along Sierra Madre Blvd. At one of the council meetings, the Orange County authors of the plan said there had to be 4 stories in order to make Sierra Madre economically "feasible." John Buchanan said, "4 stories? No people won't like that.....maybe 3."

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    7. The view of the mountains from yoga Madre studio is pretty nice

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  20. I assumed all along this was just a dry run for Bencosme. Get name recognition for a real run down the road. It's all been so quiet. No issues. Just lots of signs. And he's running against three popular incumbents. If anything, he comes off more like he wants to join them, not knock one out.

    For what it is worth, I'm a parent of young kids and so are almost all of my Sierra Madre friends. I've spoken to no one who sees any reason to change the status quo. Could be a faulty sample. No idea. But this young vs. old narrative is specious. Also, a little self-reflection wouldn't hurt when you're barking about the brainless electorate in Sierra Madre. Stalin had a similar critique of democracy.

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  21. Andy is running against incumbents. Inherently his is a campaign of change. Yet not once has he said what the current council has done wrong that he wants to change.

    I can think of two reasons for this: 1) he is silent about the change he would bring because he knows it would be unpopular (although profitable for his realtor friends), or 2) he doesn't really want to change anything, he's just getting an early start on the 2020 election, building name recognition now in an election he doesn't mind losing.

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  22. 10:00 and 10:06 seem to be on the same wavelength. It will be interesting to see if we get a last-minute negative mailer. If not, I'll buy the story that Andy is really running for the next election. Worked for Goss.

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  23. Name recognition is never bad for a realtor. Maybe Andy is running for the next election. Maybe just for fun. Doesn't mean we should take anything for granted. He still could win. Very important to keep the current council in place. Tell your friends and vote.

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  24. Some of the newcomers are living in a fantasy. They think the town just magically avoided the overdevelopment visible everywhere else.

    It was a fight tooth and nail. And it still is.

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    1. Anybody who thinks development will lower taxes needs to go find a bridge to buy.

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  25. 10:34. You are so right, that is the reason to keep the present council so the good work of repairing the mess may continue.

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  26. Everyone we talk with are voting Yes on Measure D.

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    1. Funny thing about anecdotal samples - everyone I've heard from is voting No.

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    2. Measure D will end up receiving around 20% of the vote. Every Teapac sponsored ballot measure to abolish UUTs so far has gone down to defeat. This one will do no better.

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    3. Yes on D at our house.

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  27. unless Harabedian and Capoccia run for 3rd terms there will be two open seats in 2020 for Bencosme to run for. Some think the council is limited to two terms but that is false...that only applies to commission members.

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    1. Even if the two term limit isn't a legal requirement, it's a norm that both Harabedian and Capoccia will comply with. There will be two open seats in 2020.

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    2. Term limits was an ballot initiative that passed overwelmingly several years back. It is not law but the suggestion of the will of the people that it be respected. I think if either of the next election cycle two termed out city council people wanted to run for a third term it would cause a big ruckus. Take a look at Arcadia. No term limits. Some city council members there some 30 years. Big hobby for them resulting in much corruption.

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    3. The term limits was an ordinance passed in 1990. It did come as a result of an initiative the the voters passed overwhelmingly. (I posted at 1:03 and wanted to be sure I had the correct information.) It applies to all commissioners, too. If someone wanted to run for city council again they would step off for a two year period. Commissioners who have served two full terms (some serve out the end of a term vacated and are still able to be appointed for another two full terms) have been known to step off for only one year and be reappointed as there were no applicants for the position waiting in the wings with any qualifications. That has happened a couple of times and the reappointed were back on, doing a good job.

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    4. that is false. Arcadia is a charter city and has terms limits for council members in its charter. Sierra Madre is a general law city and the term limits in the ordinance apply only to commission members not council members. council members can't pass an "ordinance" limiting people's ability to run for office. there was never a ballot initiative.

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  28. About a decade ago, the city was wrestling with the One Carter development. At a hearing (there were many, many of those, and it wasn't uncommon for them to go until midnight) one tired developer said, "All developers in California are desperate for land." I figured that was a true statement, and since no one is making new land, Sierra Madre is still in the bull's eye.

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    1. Remember that the horrible One Carter developer won. There will be houses up there someday. Let's not make similar or worse mistakes in the future.

      McMansions on the monastery only takes three votes.

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    2. Monestery monetary money story.

      Make the McMonestery pay taxes!

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  29. 8:41 wants the young to “pick up the pace” and pay higher UUT taxes than him.

    Prop 13 is already forcing the young to more than “pick up the pace,” greatly redistributing wealth and subsidizing old timers. How arrogant to want even more from the young so 8:41 can experience his “joy.”

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    1. Not really

      Newcomers aren’t ‘forced’ to buy property. When the market crashed my values went down and my taxes went down when I applied

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    2. One can usually expect a foolish argument when it begins with the firmly held position “maybe not.” 1:37 does not disappoint.

      Without newcomers buying and subsidizing old timers, the market would have ejected those old timers who did properly plan for increased costs, the same market that the old timers revere over the socialism they eschew but accept, enjoy, and fight to protect when it benefits them.

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    3. Face it. You just hate seniors.

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    4. Wrong again 2:37. I’m eligible for AARP discounts but will not use them.

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    5. 2:37 didn’t do too well in Logic 101.

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    6. 2:36 typo: “did NOT properly plan....” Sorry.

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  30. 11:27am. Stop making yourself look foolish, Measure D is not TeaPac.
    Measure D is on the ballot because of the inability of City Council members curtailing the amount of money being spent out of City Hall.
    Why does the Library need $800,000 to operate in a town of 11,000?
    By the way, responsible development brings in property tax, which used to be enough for operational expenditures in this town.

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    1. I think it is understood that Teapac is the enemy of resident control on the issue of development.

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  31. 11:33am. What is the zoning for the retirement housing on the boulevard?
    That is a McMasion that doesn't return it's fair share of taxes to the city.

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    1. The Kensington went through the full review process, according to measure V, and was approved by a majority of the residents with a vote.
      If you were opposed to it, you had the opportunity to fight it, and to get others to fight it with you.
      It's actually a symbol of the residents making a decision together, and an example of how preservation does not mean no development.
      Don't misunderstand - I'm no fan - it's too tall and uses too much water - but it was the first test case of the Measure, and it was a majority vote.

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    2. I think the Kensington was a good compromise

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    3. The Kensington is great for this city. They sponsor several events and are good neighbors.

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    4. I bet most of the 911 call come from there. So what if the contribute a few grand, big deal.

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  32. Mike Alexander the blustering fool who heads Pasadena TeaPac was on his podcast last night whining and complaining that Measure D wasn't an attempt to harm Sierra Madre, that it was just an attempt to "draw attention" to the issues Alexander cares about. Anyone who votes yes on Measure D is a sucker who is just being used by these crackpots including local crank David McMonigle and low IQ conspiracy theorist Earl Richey both of whom act as "useful idiots" for TeaPac. Never forget that TeaPac is largely funded by a real estate developer.

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  33. 12:44pm. Again you say that seniors should be charged twice as much, as those younger residents that are fully employed.
    The seniors built up the town, and are now resuscitateing the town due to poor management.
    I don't know of many employer's that hire octogenarian's.

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    1. Yeah, I’m sure the seniors built the town after crossing the continent in prairie schooners, fending off attacks, paying the local Native Americans for the land, and clearing brush and trees.

      So should we send checks to the descendants of those who actually did those things? Or is it just you who feels entitled to freeload?

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    2. I call BS on your implicit claim that you did those things for future newcomers. You did it for yourself.

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    3. 2:42/2:49, the reason there is this charming town is because the people who have lived here before you did fought to keep it that way. I don't think anyone would do such a thing for you, given your hostility - but you get to benefit from it anyway.

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    4. 4:17 By that logic people who rent here and fight to keep the town charming should, when they buy, pay the same amount of property taxes old timers like you do. You'll be contributing and raising funds to help them, won't you? Didn't think so.

      And another thing: I never said "seniors should be charged twice as much...." Please stop channeling Pr*sident Dennison.

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  34. 1:00pm. We disagree, i think it is understood that TeaPac among other fiscally responsible group's alert the residents to the misuse of tax payers money being spent irresponsibly.

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    1. I doubt there are many people in town that would disagree Sierra Madre did some foolish financial things. The problem is that is not an excuse to bankrupt the town. That is the difference. There are bills that have to be paid. You don't shoot yourself in the head because you have a headache.

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    2. Rob Stockly, Bart Doyle, John Buchanan - these are some of the people who made such bad decisions that we are still trying to work our way out from them. It's not the whole town - it's bad leadership and naive voters that did it.

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  35. Sierra Madre's UUT is set at 10% on more utilities than any other community in the state. The plan, as first set out, was supposed to stabalize the city, go up every so often from 6% (8%, 10%) to 12% and then down to 6% and get the city on solid footing. Instead, the budget engorged with spending and it was foisted on the community if we didn't have 10% forever more we couldn't have all the stuff we like to think is ours, just because. I spoke with many who were in favor of the 10% forever and they agreed with me then that it was not going to generate the money needed and that was know at the outset of that last campaign.

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    1. Sierra Madre is also in the bottom 1% in sales tax revenue. That's why it relies on UUT. And 25% of the houses in Sierra Madre have a Prop 13 valuation more than 25 years old so those people aren't paying much in real estate taxes either. My neighbor moved in a year ago and he pays $8,000 a year in real estate tax. My neighbor on the other side has an identical house and property and pays less than $3,000 a year because of Prop 13. So yeah, pay your UUT you cheap freeloader.

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    2. David McMonigle the proponent of Measure D claims his home is "historical" and got a Mills Act discount on his property at 233 Ramona Ave.
      He pays taxes on a valuation of $743,000 when Zillow says the property is worth $3 million. So McMonigle is ripping the rest of us off, paying only 25% of his fair share.

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  36. 1:44pm. Again, misinformation.
    2-30-13 was directly taken from the General Plan.
    The downtown area was already zoned two stories,thirty feet high thirteen units.
    Measure V kept the zoning intact so that it would not be undermined by overbuild or subterrian parking.

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  37. 3:09pm. What is the amount of property tax the Kensington pays? It is public knowledge.
    Since the build is located in the business district, when will the current Howies site becomes a retirement home?

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  38. I believe the message here is don't vote like an ingrate. Re-elect the three incumbents who worked for preservation and in the process put a lot of money in your pocket. OK?

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  39. The SMPOA mailer was in the mail today.
    "Your neighborhood will be less safe. Your Fire department will disappear. The Library will close and no Hick Finn Day or Fourth of July Parade if you vote YES!!!!!!!

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  40. Time to out source all the police and fire to the County of Los Angeles and save a ton of money that will only excite the fools who are trying to take over Sierra Madre and drain it dry in 2018 and beyond.

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  41. 11:27am. Stop making yourself look foolish, Measure D is not TeaPac.
    Measure D is on the ballot because of the inability of City Council members curtailing the amount of money being spent out of City Hall.
    Why does the Library need $800,000 to operate in a town of 11,000?
    By the way, responsible development brings in property tax, which used to be enough for operational expenditures in this town.

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  42. The SMPOA mailer used Postal Permit No 800 from zip code 97301 which is for Salem, Oregon.

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  43. the Sierra Madre Residents have spoken....
    VOTE YES ON UUT!
    The city council has squandered our residents money, and will continue if we do not vote YES to repeal the UUT!

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  44. Trolls get trumped again!

    U.S. stocks had their worst April start since 1929, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The S&P 500 index slumped 2.2 percent, a rout exceeded only by its 2.5 percent decline 89 years ago, a prelude to the devastating crash later that year that brought on the Great Depression.

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  45. Are you praying for a stock market crash?

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    1. I don’t pray

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    2. I think he’s reminding the fools who voted for trump and were bragging about their stocks daily that they got suckered.

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  46. If Sierra Madreans don't want over-development and higher density, DON'T ELECT JOSE "ANDY" BESCOME!

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  47. Why doesn't JOSE Bescome use the first name he was given? He is NOT for Sierra Madre! He is only interested in how much business he can do in real estate in Sierra Madre. Be careful who you vote for.

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