Saturday, May 12, 2018

Sho Time 2: Downtown Brown With Dominic & Steve

Mod: Yesterday I posted the following, and I thought that there should be some follow-up so everyone might have a better understanding of exactly what went down here.


Mod: If this conversation of the city's elected leaders, along with key staff, had occurred in closed session, and Sho Tay had revealed what was said in his mailer, it would have been a clear violation of the Brown Act. However, and as resident Laurie Thompson, City Manager Dominic Lazzaretto and City Attorney Stephen Deitsch discover in the following series of emails, no such closed session conversation ever took place. In other words, Sho Tay just made this all up in order to smear his fellow City Councilmembers with the false allegation that they didn't care about crime, and then put it on an illegal postcard to boost the campaigns of Bob Harbicht and Roger Chandler. It is remarkable dishonesty on several levels. Here are the emails.

From: Laurie Thompson
Subject: Checking Back - Closed Session Violation - Request for Document (s)
Date: April 19, 2018 at 3:31:38 PM PDT
To: Dominic Lazzaretto, Stephen Deitsch, Peter Amundson

To all: I haven’t received a response from you regarding my request for the notice of the closed session Sho Tay referenced on Tuesday night. It might be because no noticed agendized item exists in which case there has been a Brown Act violation.

Or it might be because if you identify an agendized closed session item that Sho Tay was referencing, Sho Tay has committed a criminal offense in disclosing results of a closed session deliberation in a very public manner.

Or maybe it’s because Sho Tay made the whole thing up in which case Sho Tay is not presenting the truth. I don’t want to make any assumptions so I’d like a response.

Sincerely, Laurie Thompson
Long Time Arcadia Resident

From: Dominic Lazzaretto
Subject: RE: Checking Back - Closed Session Violation - Request for Document (s)
Date: April 19, 2018 at 3:41:15 PM PDT
To: Laurie Thompson, Stephen Deitsch, Peter Amundson

Laurie: Steve and I have a conference call scheduled tomorrow morning to review your request and what was said on Tuesday night. We will be in touch as quickly as we can thereafter.

Have a great day, Dominic

From: Laurie Thompson
Subject: Re: Checking Back - Closed Session Violation - Request for Document (s)
Date: April 19, 2018 at 5:18:34 PM PDT
To: Dominic Lazzaretto

Thank you.

From: Stephen Deitsch
Subject: RE: Checking Back - Closed Session Violation - Request for Document (s)
Date: April 20, 2018 at 9:50:13 AM PDT
To: Laurie Thompson, Dominic Lazzaretto, Peter Amundson

Good morning, Ms. Thompson.  Thank you for your two emails about this item.  I plan to respond to them after I review the video of this past Tuesday’s Council meeting and as part of my work day at City Hall this coming Tuesday.

Thank you again. Sincerely, Steve Deitsch

From: Stephen Deitsch
Subject: FW: Checking Back - Closed Session Violation - Request for Document (s)
Date: April 24, 2018 at 12:54:37 PM PDT
To: Laurie Thompson

Ms. Thompson, thank you again for your inquiry about Mayor Pro Tem Tay’s reference to a closed session in his public remarks at the April 17, 2018 City Council meeting.  As I indicated I would do in my April 20 email to you (below), I have now viewed and listened to the video of that portion of the April 17, 2018, City Council meeting to which you have made reference.  I can now address your inquiry.

The Ralph M. Brown Act and, in particular, Government Code Section 54963, prohibits disclosure of confidential information that has been acquired by being present in a closed session.

Mayor Pro Tem Tay briefly mentioned in his Council meeting remarks that he had met recently with Mayor Amundson and City Manager Lazzaretto, and had shared with them his thoughts about a closed session discussion.  In his remarks at the City Council meeting, Mayor Pro Tem Tay clearly indicated that he was not allowed under the Brown Act to describe information he obtained at a closed session and, thus, would not be able to be specific in his description in his remarks at the Council Meeting.  He merely indicated that he shared his thoughts about such a closed session discussion with the Mayor and City Manager. As such, there has been no Brown Act violation.

To the extent your inquiry instead possibly questions whether a closed session was held by the City Council in violation of the Brown Act, I can indicate unequivocally that the City Council has lawfully listed and described on its posted agendas, and has conducted, closed session discussions fully in accordance with the Brown Act.  In particular, no discussions were conducted during my presence in any closed session which did not pertain to the closed session agenda descriptions on all posted agendas.  Of course, I hope you understand that having been present in closed sessions, I am forbidden by Government Code Section 54963 (cited above) from publicly reciting what specifically has been discussed in a City Council closed session.

I hope this addresses your concerns. Thank you again for your inquiry. Sincerely, Steve Deitsch

The postcard.

Mod: Sadly, the City Attorney had either misunderstood the nature of Ms. Thompson's request, or he didn't wish to reveal what had actually happened. Read how Laurie then holds his feet to the fire, and in the process gets Steve to unveil the following remarkable revelation. That being, Sho Tay made this all up for the purpose of a dishonest postcard the FPPC is now in the process of nailing him on.

From: Laurie Thompson
Subject: Clarification - Request for Public Records
Date: April 25, 2018 at 12:51:20 PM PDT
To: Dominic Lazzaretto, Stephen Deitsch, Peter Amundson

Dear Mr. Deitsch, Mr. Lazzareto, Mayor Amundson,

Thank you for your response but it does not accurately match my request.

Request Review Background:

 1.  MPT Tay sent out the following statement to several hundred residents in District 5 in a campaign flyer:

"If you folks remember, there were times that proposed plans of ordinances to safety of our community , but I got only one vote from Council Member Roger Chandler from District 5."

2. This statement was challenged as untruthful by Council Member Beck at a subsequent city council meeting. He requested evidence.

3. At a recent city council meeting MPT Tay gave his defense to the truth of his statement in the flyer. He indicated that his claim that proposed ordinances regarding public safety had taken place during a closed session and he could not discuss it.

4. If indeed a closed session took place he cannot discuss it.  However, he disclosed the vote and that he was referencing public safety.

5. Despite the fact he could not discuss contents of the item, all closed sessions have an agenda that is public and subject to a Public Records Search under the law.  Furthermore if the item was finalized then it becomes open to the public.

Therefore my request is simply as follows:

1. As a Public Records Search under the law, I am requesting the date of MPT Tay’s referenced closed session and a copy of the public agendized item referenced by MPT Tay. Discussion and voting on a closed session item cannot take place unless agendized.

2. If this meeting did occur, please provide the reference in the Brown Act that allows for such a meeting on the topic.

Note:  Just saying, If it was a closed session isn’t it strange that he wrote, “As you folks remember”.  How would anyone remember what had been discussed in closed session unless confidentiality had been breached?

Regards, Laurie Thompson

From: Stephen Deitsch
Subject: FW: Clarification - Request for Public Records
Date: April 26, 2018 at 11:08:34 AM PDT
To: Laurie Thompson
Cc: Dominic Lazzaretto

Dear Ms. Thompson,

Thank you for your follow-up Public Records Act request.

I shall instruct the City Clerk’s Office to aggregate all City Council meeting agendas which included closed session items on the posted agenda over the past one year period. If you instead want to have the City do so for a longer period than the one prior year, please inform me as soon as reasonably possible. The City shall thereafter transmit these agendas to you.

Your request is otherwise vague, and for that reason among others, the City is otherwise unable to reasonably respond to your request. To the extent the following somehow addresses your emails, there are no posted closed session agenda items which included a reference to ordinances related to public safety, and I am not aware of any violation of the Brown Act concerning discussions of closed session items listed on posted agendas. Nor am I aware of any other Brown Act violation.

The Public Records Act requires a public entity to produce documents responsive to a request, but does not require a public entity to answer questions beyond providing documents. To the extent that your three emails concerning this matter have posed questions regarding closed session discussions, I can only refer to the email I transmitted to you yesterday in response to your first two emails, in addition to the above response.

Sincerely, Steve Deitsch

From: Laurie Thompson
Subject: Re: Clarification - Request for Public Records
Date: April 26, 2018 at 2:44:21 PM PDT
To: Stephen Deitsch

Dear Mr. Deitsch,

Thank you for your reply.

For now, based on your statement, "there are no posted closed session agenda items which included a reference to ordinances related to public safety”, there is no need to use staff time to send me closed session agendas that document that public safety ordinances have never been included on closed sessions. You offered to send me one year of agendas but am I correct to assume that no such items were on closed sessions during Sho Tay’s  4 year tenure ?

Regards, Laurie Thompson

From: Stephen Deitsch
Subject: RE: Clarification - Request for Public Records
Date: April 26, 2018 at 2:51:45 PM PDT
To: Laurie Thompson
Cc: Dominic Lazzaretto

Ms. Thompson, the precise contents of my previous email would apply to all previous years, as well.

Sincerely, Steve Deitsch

Mod: So there you have it. A clear confirmation from the City Attorney of the City of Arcadia that the Mayor Pro Tem, Sho Tay, was not telling the truth. And did so for the purposes of an illegal political campaign postcard designed to smear his fellow City Council members on the crime issue. Case closed.

The postcard in Chinese.

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80 comments:

  1. Sure glad I don't live in Arcadia.

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    1. Arcadia is now undergoing its exorcism. Sierra Madre's wasn't that long ago.

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  2. What's with this woman Laurie Thompson and Sho Tay? What's their past history together?

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    1. My understanding is that Laurie Thompson found Sho's dishonesty offensive, and City hall's response to it weak and ineffectual. She therefore went out to find the truth, and did. It is refreshing to see a concerned individual fight for good government like that. The world needs many more Lauries.

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    2. 6:45's comment reminds me of a George Orwell quote: "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it."

      Obviously 6:45 has done some considerable drifting.

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    3. This Orwell quote works, too.

      "We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men." And women, I must add.

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    4. 6:45, “What’s with this woman...” - what a sexist remark you made, but it’s to be expected and doesn’t surprised me one bit.

      It’ll be fun to see how Sho Tay’s supporters wiggle out of this new information. Blame it on the printers for putting false information on Sho Tay’s mailer. Ha!

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    5. By continuing to support Sho in the face of so much evidence shows that they are persons of low character.

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  3. Tay flat out knowingly LIED. Forget not letting him be mayor, he should be voted off the council.
    Of course, the Tay followers only argument will be racism since the name Thompson is not Asian, so in their minds, her desire to get to the truth is only racially motivated. Really, how much more evidence is needed to cease the support of this dishonest person ?
    Arcadia starts to heal when Tay is removed or RESIGNS. There are many qualified replacements in Tays district, it is time for a special election to get beyond this nightmare.

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  4. 6:45, jeez dude, are you at the Buc reading this. Their “past history together”? Wth? How about one is a damn liar and the other one doesn’t like liars and is willing to be assertive and find out the exact truth.

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  5. Many politicians lie, especially during a campaign. But what sets Tay apart from so many others is that he lies so stupidly. These are bad and obvious lies, and because of them Sho has quickly become a laughingstock.

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  6. When Tay took office in 2016, he raised his right hand and sweared to faithfully blah blah blah. Well, he didn’t faithfully do anything, so time to remove him. The council needs to admonish him and vote to remove him.

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  7. Fire the liar.

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  8. Tay completely fabricated plans and ordinances he proposed. Did he just think he gets "carte blanche" to say whatever he wants because it's a campaign and you don't have to tell the truth when you are campaigning?

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    1. That card is also part of the FPPC investigation into Sho's Shenanigans. Speaking of weaving tangled webs.

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  9. 6:45am Laurie is a woman. Laurie is smart. There are a few men who do not like smart women. Which man are you?

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    1. She is also a patriot that fights against corrupt politicians.

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  10. Tay's mailers affected the election. We will never know now if Chandler would have been elected if Tay had not sent his illegal mailers filled with lies. Does Chandler really deserve to sit on City Council? That cloud of doubt should hang over Chandler at every meeting.

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    1. Speaking of which, is there any news about the LA County voter fraud investigation?

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    2. 7:58, they only have so much staff and are feverishly working the Tay Case. Please be patient.

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    3. It's been over 4 years.

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  11. It’s time Arcadia residents really stand up for what’s right and continue to challenge Tay at CC meetings. Come speak your mind this coming Tuesday at 7:00 pm. Let’s right this sinking ship and get Tay the hell off the council.

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    1. Will the Little Sisters of Tay be there to read sacred texts from their smart phones?

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    2. Yes, 8:07, the Grand Lyin’ Master Tay will be training those sheep this weekend. Expect more George Washington quotes or whatever the hell that one sheep was reading last time.

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  12. Once a matter is final a vote in closed session is a public record. Ask for a record of all the votes Sho Tay ever cast in closed session regarding any matter where chandler and sho were the only yes votes. It would be illegal to vote on an ordinance in closed session.

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  13. 8:01am. Too bad no one thought of this during Sierra Madre's shenanigan years.

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  14. The city will respond in writing that no such records exist and then that can be juxtaposed with shos claim.

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    1. Sho will need to come up with a third lie to cover up his first two lies. Then what? 8:01 has the right idea for the next step.

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  15. This Orwell quote fits best:The essence of being human is that one does not seek perfection.
    Her determined approach with minor infractions suggests that Ms Thompson has something personal invested in the pursuit of Council member Sho Tay.
    It is obvious that there is more to what is going on between these two.
    Bad business deal?

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    1. Pathetic. Just pathetic.

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    2. Really? Deliberately lying to the public during a city council meeting is a minor infraction? Maybe it's like Jerry Brown releasing criminals with "minor infractions" and then they pillage our homes. Lying is not minor when it comes from a public official making decisions that effect our lives.

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  16. Arcadia is a mess, and all city staff does is say, "I see nothing! Nothing!"

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    1. I have found the city staff to be polite and helpful. However, they are worried about their jobs and stay out of the politics to avoid complications. It is not their fault that the voters make bad choices. They are stuck with council members who are beholden to outside interests. A mess for sure.

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    2. The city attorney has his job cut out for him. Imagine having to constantly cover for Sho Tay. Yikes!

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    3. Old Deetch tried this time and failed.

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    4. No. City staffs love to help but you have to be Roger or Sho. They will help you in anyway including harass the new applicants for them. One day before I reached city hall bathroom, over heard about "Calling you a banana is nothing, people called me oreo cookies all the time. It is good." I hope that the city staff not going to use "N" word or "Ch.." in the futhure and telling people that it is OK to do so. Arcadia city better has deep pocket for that.
      By the way, some of them might thinking about doing business thru their spouses or relatives with developers already. You will never found their names on the partner's list from the company. For those took an early returement, their names on the list would not be a problem anymore. It sounded like John Wuo with Gemcoin. Getting away from the FBI investigation. FBI can not do anything about it. Not even his children's illegal voting. I personally don't feel anything will be happened from county to the extra 4 votes casted from the address. Anyone looking into what is his children's W2 address. Did they claimed the resident deduction on their properties taxes? IRS violation can be a more severe penalty than FPPC or county. In addition, there might be a 10 percent reward for the whistleblower.

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  17. How do residents go about with holding a FAIR election for District 5 where residents show up in person to
    vote. District 5 has been a dirty city election and old voter rolls contributed to the mess. So did the Developer money funneled through Sho to his "friends" Harbicht & Chandler. How could the developers not have know how the money was used and that the methods were illegal ? What responsibility does Mrs. Tay bear for
    illegally distributing the funds ? The fine would probably means one less designer handbag.

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    1. 10:07, the answer is yes, Tay took in money and gave it to Bulldozers and Chandlers campaign. Tay admitted at two separate televised city council meetings that he in fact did that.

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    2. Tay made it impossible for the FPPC to exonerate him. He now has a 0% chance of getting off.

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    3. While the fines might not represent a huge financial loss to Sho Tay, money cannot erase a guilty verdict. Sho will own the shame forever.

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    4. If he is guilty he cannot be Mayor.

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    5. "Shame" has never on his dictionary. A Republican but who can also support Democrats. Several years ago,Sho was asking Ed Chau to let his daughter working for Ed Chau's election at Sho's election night party. In addition, he is asking people to vote for Ed Chau in that party. That even including Republicans in that party.
      He only reconized money and power. Chinese described it as, "If you have breasts, you would be my mom." Truthfully and Practically for a baby!!

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    6. 12:58 PM, well said!

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    7. Not voting for Ed Chau. Nope. No way.

      Vote for Burton Brink!

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    8. 12:58: Chinese described it as, "If you have breasts, you would be my mom."
      sorry, it should be "If you have breast MILK, you would be my mom."

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  18. Time to replace all Arcadia Upper ‘Management’

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    1. Time to educate the voters with truth. Very difficult when some have cult-like adhesion to misinformation and are easily manipulated by fearmongering. They worship their leader, no matter how corrupt, mindlessly. All fueled by thousands of dollars from outside special interests. Many moderate thinkers too frightened to speak up.

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    2. Bravo! Bravo!

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  19. Interesting how there’s ZERO Tay supporters posting on this blog today. Must have finally come to their senses. I’d knew they’d come around, eventually.

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    1. They are probably busy with their training session with Tay for Tuesday's CC meeting.

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  20. They all in weekly political education via Wechat!

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  21. Roger Chandler and Bob Harbicht are both bulldozers who allowed the demolition the historical Anoakia in addition to numerous modest homes in Arcadia in favor of the developers.

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  22. Sho Tay should RESIGN or be REMOVED as a councilman! It's a shame to have such a person with indignity on our CC!

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  23. Sho supporters know that "White Man" speaks out of both sides of his mouth.

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    1. As opposed to Sho, who speaks out of his arse.

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    2. Sho supporters speak out of both sides of their growing noses. Drip, drip, drip.

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  24. Call for a new, in-person election in District 5 & District 3 (Sho Tay's district). Or do residents have to start gathering signatures again to set this right?

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    1. 2:45 PM: hell no... i never want to go to poll place! i am a registered absentee voter.... only retired person go to poll place to vote

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  25. Sho Tay lied about Chandler being "a Police Dept. Chief of many years" in his Chinese flyer. Chandler was only "Chief of Police of the Los Angeles City Housing Authority",
    and "this force never had responsibility for felony investigation...and was largely considered by the LAPD to be little more than a local security operation". Moreover, "in the mid-1990s the independent force was disbanded ...":

    http://what-when-how.com/police-science/public-housing-police/
    (Scroll down to "Los Angeles")

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    1. Talk about failed leadership of Chandler, L.A. Housing Authority was disbanded in the mid-1990. It was probably due to the fact that "Roger Chandler, who had been employed as the L.A. Housing Authority's Chief of Police, was temporarily disabled for a period of one year as a result of bruxism (a grinding of the teeth in situations of stress)":

      https://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1462512.html

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    2. 5:03 PM, Looks like Roger Chandler won the law suit against L.A. Housing Authority about workers' compensation benefits.

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    3. 5:03 PM, L.A. Housing Authority appealed and still lost to Chandler. It's the consequence of choosing the wrong Chief of Police for this independent force.

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    4. They must forgotten to check into the city golf course. He used to golf everyday and laughing happily with his golf buddies in the weekday then went home after lunch. He looks so relax. The golf course contractor is his buddy. The person always get the bit. Several years ago a group of Chinese doctors tried to bit for it with a much higher price for city and willing to put in much more money to update the golf course but Roger still be abled to help his friend to get the bit. So much of working for the people.

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  26. Another example of failed leadership of Roger Chandler:

    Chandler wrote in his official Arcadia CC webpage that in 1994 he created the City of Hawaiian Gardens Police Department. In 1997, less than three years later, "Financial Crisis Forces City to Close Police Department":

    http://articles.latimes.com/1997/nov/04/local/me-50158
    and
    http://articles.latimes.com/1997/aug/04/local/me-19307
    (Hawaiian Gardens fashioned a police force to fit the low-income community. But now that leaders want to disband the agency and rehire the Sheriff's Department . . . : Officers Must Pass Muster Once More)

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    1. Did Chandler really create the City of Hawaiian Gardens Police Department? Or was he just merely involved? No mention of him at all here:

      http://articles.latimes.com/1995-03-01/local/me-37297_1_hawaiian-gardens
      (Critics say Hawaiian Gardens cannot afford the additional cost--the city will spend $2.1 million a year for its own department, $500,000 more than the county Sheriff's Department had charged for patrol services. Some detractors say the effort to start the police force was a political ploy by Mayor Kathleen M. Navejas, who is seeking reelection Tuesday.)

      Was Chandler blind to the fact that Hawaiian Gardens could not afford it?

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    2. Where is Andy? You need to come and read the above comments.
      People should take turn to CC meeting and talk about the above truth. Young Chinese women look at Roger as a superman. They dream about him coming to save them when they are in danger. Specially during the election. They are overwhelmed with his long list of titles on the postcard mailers. They dream about people called them Mrs. Chandler. Now, you all break their hearts. Their hero is gone. You might hear the next door young Chinese lady crying tonight. So sad!

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    3. Does anybody find it surprising that the guy who runs the Voice of Arcadia page is a big Trump supporter?

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    4. 7:03 PM: you have fantasy dream on Chinese women!? lol

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    5. I am a person that wearing a skirt most of the time. So, you are incorrect.

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  27. Sho claimed that he graduated from Rio Hondo Police Academy. It is very weird that he was only a reserved, and never got hired as a 'real' police officer when many city needs to hire more police officers. Perhaps, he **failed** his polygraph test as part of hiring that he got black-listed to ever become a police officer? Just guessing here. There could be many reasons.

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    1. Psych eval would be my guess.

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  28. 2:29pm. Very few residents showed interest in keeping Anoakia as a historical landmark.
    The land value outweigh the home.
    Many restorationist were able to take from the home before the wrecking ball did it's deed.

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    1. 6:21 PM, very few residents? Read the report here:

      http://articles.latimes.com/2000/jan/25/local/me-57361
      (ARCADIA — A citizens group has sued the city to stop the demolition of an Italian Renaissance-style historic mansion and estate to make way for a gated community.

      Three residents representing the group called Friends of Anoakia are challenging the City Council's approval last month of a plan to raze the 50-room Anoakia mansion and its 20-acre estate.)

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  29. 6:21 PM, to developers and their puppets on the City Council, the land value always outweigh any home, even Anita Baldin's Anoakia.

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    1. I suggest the expansive lawn next to the APD be sold for a 6-story multi-occupant & business development with upper 2 or 3 stories for parking. The city needs the money to get out of $130 million. debt. Our Zoning Ordinance, Planning Dept. & CityCouncil should oblige like they're done in the past. Part of the taxes could go to unfunded pension liabilities. And all trees could be cut to save water, allow more square feet to go towards rental income. The design model could be the huge building on Duarte at First. Think of all the business brought to Arcadia businesses by this planning concept! And the height would closely match the new hotel to be built at a busy corner nearby.

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  30. 6:21- There were many residents opposed to the wholesale destruction of Anoakia. Bulldozer Bob, Chandler, and Gino Roncelli voted to allow the development to proceed. Their minds were made up before hearing the concerns of the residents.As I remember, most folks were only asking that the historical home be preserved. As it turned out, Arcadia got a guard gated community whose streets were paid for by the city that the residents can’t walk on, homes that do not match with the Upper Rancho HOA in lot size, and furthered the cities reputation for being in the pockets of developers. The only good thing that came from it was it galvanized those seeking a bit of restraint of the development of Arcadia. Did you even attend one of the many numerous CC meetings regarding this?

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  31. Tay had to lie to get Chandler re-elected. If Chandler had just campaigned on the truth and stuck to the real issue (development), he would have lost to Joyce Platt.

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  32. innocent until proven guilty... our President is the biggest liar, why no impeachment!?
    i suggest those don't like Tay should start a campaign to recall him.

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