Monday, July 9, 2018

Is Los Angeles County Moving In On Sierra Madre's Parcel Tax Action?

There is only one "discussion item" on tomorrow night's City Council meeting agenda. There is also a bevy of the usual Consent Calendar stuff, including a request for an additional $22,471 in funding for most favored consultants Raftelis Financial, who are making some decent bank in this town. Who knew that figuring out what to charge people for water could be such a bountiful profit producer?

There is also a call to cancel both City Council meetings for the month of August, which makes sense. Now that the fight against mansionization has been abandoned at City Hall there really isn't much left for the City Council to do. All of that bother has now been handed over to developers and the Planning & Community Preservation office. Speaking of Orwellian misnomers.

There is also a special meeting scheduled with both the Library Board of Trustees and the City Council, but that has not included in this agenda. There is nothing on that topic posted on the City website as of this Sunday evening typing, which is a little surprising. But since it isn't a regularly scheduled City Council meeting they don't meed to provide you with the usual amount of notice.

Either that or they just want to surprise you. More on the Library topic tomorrow.

But there is one rather momentous discussion item on tonight's schedule, and it deals with an attempt by Los Angeles County to impose some sort of parcel tax upon Sierra Madre. Plus a lot of other cities as well. Here is how city staff wrote this one up (link).


Now the shocking news here is City Hall plans to fight this county parcel tax. Can you remember the last time something like that ever happened? You know, our guys fighting a tax? Maybe never?

If you read through the rather lengthy staff report you will see they don't actually come out and blatantly say they're against an LA County imposed parcel tax. Being that direct is not how they do business downtown. Rather staff claims to be concerned about a potential loss of "local control" over taxation. Which not only struck me as being a little disingenuous, it was also kind of funny.

At least it was to me. Of course, I've been reading City Council meeting reports for a decade now. There have been consequences.

I do have a theory about an actual reason for City Hall's reluctance to support a new county parcel tax. As you will likely see tomorrow night at the joint Library Board of Trustees and the City Council confab, the question of putting a Sierra Madre parcel tax before the public in order to fund the refurbishment of the Library will be discussed.

Which could mean that there would then be two parcel taxes for the voters of Sierra Madre to consider. Both Los Angeles County and the local one. Something likely to be more than most people can stomach. Or vote to approve. I believe either of them would take a two-thirds vote to pass, a high enough hurdle for just one parcel tax, much less two.

Besides, when it comes to any kind of taxes, what government agency ever wants competition?

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85 comments:

  1. Vote NO on all parcel taxes, even though it’s just the price of a Starbucks coffee as Josh Moran once said.

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  2. A most interesting evening at CC tomorrow.

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    1. And I thought the July 4th fireworks were over!

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  3. Beware of 'rain makers' who will promise much but produce only a negative numbers from the cities coffers to pay for a clown show much like d.j.t. produces.

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  4. What the city will be saying in a few months: "If the residents don't approve a parcel tax we will be forced to sell the property and move the Library."

    Shorter version: "It's your fault."

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    1. Good point 7:43, really good point!

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    2. Sounds impermeable.

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    3. If I make my property permeable will I escape a parcel tax?

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    4. One move and the Library gets it.

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  5. The same people responsible for the Downtown Specific Plan and interest only water bond payments are behind all of the Library tumult. The disaster boys. My question is why do they have so much influence at city hall?

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  6. "Besides, when it comes to any kind of taxes, what government agency ever wants competition?"

    True. Taxes are monopolistic.

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    1. Don't Steal
      The IRS Hates Competition
      ~ Bumper Sticker

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  7. A List Of 97 Taxes Americans Pay Every Year
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    by Tyler Durden
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    Submitted by Michael Snyder of The Economic Collapse blog,

    If you are like most Americans, paying taxes is one of your pet peeves. The deadline to file your federal taxes is coming up, and this year Americans will spend more than 7 billion hours preparing their taxes and will hand over more than four trillion dollars to federal, state and local governments. Americans will fork over nearly 30 percent of what they earn to pay their income taxes, but that is only a small part of the story.

    As you will see below, there are dozens of other taxes that Americans pay every year. Of course not everyone pays all of these taxes, but without a doubt we are all being taxed into oblivion. It is like death by a thousand paper cuts. Our politicians have become extremely creative in finding ways to extract money from all of us, and most Americans don't even realize what is being done to them. By the time it is all said and done, a significant portion of the population ends up paying more than half of what they earn to the government. That is fundamentally wrong, but nothing will be done about it until people start demanding change. The following is a list of 97 taxes Americans pay every year...

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  8. 1 Air Transportation Taxes (just look at how much you were charged the last time you flew)

    #2 Biodiesel Fuel Taxes

    #3 Building Permit Taxes

    #4 Business Registration Fees

    #5 Capital Gains Taxes

    #6 Cigarette Taxes

    #7 Court Fines (indirect taxes)

    #8 Disposal Fees

    #9 Dog License Taxes

    #10 Drivers License Fees (another form of taxation)

    #11 Employer Health Insurance Mandate Tax

    #12 Employer Medicare Taxes

    #13 Employer Social Security Taxes

    #14 Environmental Fees

    #15 Estate Taxes

    #16 Excise Taxes On Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans

    #17 Federal Corporate Taxes

    #18 Federal Income Taxes

    #19 Federal Unemployment Taxes

    #20 Fishing License Taxes

    #21 Flush Taxes (yes, this actually exists in some areas)

    #22 Food And Beverage License Fees

    #23 Franchise Business Taxes

    #24 Garbage Taxes

    #25 Gasoline Taxes

    #26 Gift Taxes

    #27 Gun Ownership Permits

    #28 Hazardous Material Disposal Fees

    #29 Highway Access Fees

    #30 Hotel Taxes (these are becoming quite large in some areas)

    #31 Hunting License Taxes

    #32 Import Taxes

    #33 Individual Health Insurance Mandate Taxes

    #34 Inheritance Taxes

    #35 Insect Control Hazardous Materials Licenses

    #36 Inspection Fees

    #37 Insurance Premium Taxes

    #38 Interstate User Diesel Fuel Taxes

    #39 Inventory Taxes

    #40 IRA Early Withdrawal Taxes

    #41 IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)

    #42 IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)

    #43 Library Taxes

    #44 License Plate Fees

    #45 Liquor Taxes

    #46 Local Corporate Taxes

    #47 Local Income Taxes

    #48 Local School Taxes

    #49 Local Unemployment Taxes

    #50 Luxury Taxes

    #51 Marriage License Taxes

    #52 Medicare Taxes

    #53 Medicare Tax Surcharge On High Earning Americans Under Obamacare

    #54 Obamacare Individual Mandate Excise Tax (if you don't buy "qualifying" health insurance under Obamacare you will have to pay an additional tax)

    #55 Obamacare Surtax On Investment Income (a new 3.8% surtax on investment income)

    #56 Parking Meters

    #57 Passport Fees

    #58 Professional Licenses And Fees (another form of taxation)

    #59 Property Taxes

    #60 Real Estate Taxes

    #61 Recreational Vehicle Taxes

    #62 Registration Fees For New Businesses

    #63 Toll Booth Taxes

    #64 Sales Taxes

    #65 Self-Employment Taxes

    #66 Sewer & Water Taxes

    #67 School Taxes

    #68 Septic Permit Taxes

    #69 Service Charge Taxes

    #70 Social Security Taxes

    #71 Special Assessments For Road Repairs Or Construction

    #72 Sports Stadium Taxes

    #73 State Corporate Taxes

    #74 State Income Taxes

    #75 State Park Entrance Fees

    #76 State Unemployment Taxes (SUTA)

    #77 Tanning Taxes (a new Obamacare tax on tanning services)

    #78 Telephone 911 Service Taxes

    #79 Telephone Federal Excise Taxes

    #80 Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Taxes

    #81 Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Taxes

    #82 Telephone State And Local Taxes

    #83 Telephone Universal Access Taxes

    #84 The Alternative Minimum Tax

    #85 Tire Recycling Fees

    #86 Tire Taxes

    #87 Tolls (another form of taxation)

    #88 Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)

    #89 Use Taxes (Out of state purchases, etc.)

    #90 Utility Taxes

    #91 Vehicle Registration Taxes

    #92 Waste Management Taxes

    #93 Water Rights Fees

    #94 Watercraft Registration & Licensing Fees

    #95 Well Permit Fees

    #96 Workers Compensation Taxes

    #97 Zoning Permit Fees

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  9. Yet despite all of this oppressive taxation, our local governments, our state governments and our federal government are all absolutely drowning in debt.

    When the federal income tax was originally introduced a little more than 100 years ago, most Americans were taxed at a rate of only 1 percent.

    But once they get their feet in the door, the social planners always want more.

    Since that time, tax rates have gone much higher and the tax code has exploded in size.

    Why do we have to have the most convoluted tax system in the history of the planet?

    Why can't things be simpler?

    In a previous article entitled "24 Outrageous Facts About Taxes In The United States That Will Blow Your Mind", I listed a number of reasons why our federal income tax system has become a complete and utter abomination that is entirely out of control...

    1 - The U.S. tax code is now 3.8 million words long. If you took all of William Shakespeare's works and collected them together, the entire collection would only be about 900,000 words long.

    2 - According to the National Taxpayers Union, U.S. taxpayers spend more than 7.6 billion hours complying with federal tax requirements. Imagine what our society would look like if all that time was spent on more economically profitable activities.

    3 - 75 years ago, the instructions for Form 1040 were two pages long. Today, they are 189 pages long.

    4 - There have been 4,428 changes to the tax code over the last decade. It is incredibly costly to change tax software, tax manuals and tax instruction booklets for all of those changes.

    5 - According to the National Taxpayers Union, the IRS currently has 1,999 different publications, forms, and instruction sheets that you can download from the IRS website.

    6 - Our tax system has become so complicated that it is almost impossible to file your taxes correctly. For example, back in 1998 Money Magazine had 46 different tax professionals complete a tax return for a hypothetical household. All 46 of them came up with a different result.

    7 - In 2009, PC World had five of the most popular tax preparation software websites prepare a tax return for a hypothetical household. All five of them came up with a different result.

    8 - The IRS spends $2.45 for every $100 that it collects in taxes.

    9 - According to The Tax Foundation, the average American has to work until April 17th just to pay federal, state, and local taxes. Back in 1900, "Tax Freedom Day" came on January 22nd.

    10 - When the U.S. government first implemented a personal income tax back in 1913, the vast majority of the population paid a rate of just 1 percent, and the highest marginal tax rate was just 7 percent.

    If it was up to me, I would abolish the income tax and shut the IRS down.

    But neither major political party in the United States is even willing to consider such a thing.

    So the monstrous system that we have created will continue to get even bigger and even more complicated.

    We are literally being taxed into oblivion, and most Americans don't even seem to care

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  10. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-25/list-97-taxes-americans-pay-every-year

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  11. From the Twittersphere:

    "Thailand is reuniting kids with their families faster than the USA."

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    1. Keep Families Together!
      Support Legal Immigration

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  12. So we could end up with two parcel taxes? I'm surprised the Two Johns aren't excited by this. They never met a tax they didn't like, but two at a time? Menage a trois.

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  13. Good thing President Trump initiated massive changes for our U.S Tax Codes, 8:07 am.

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    1. Trump just added a trillion dollars to the US debt. Much of it borrowed from China. Your good news sounds like a disaster to me.

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    2. The real disaster hasn't arrived yet. Tariffs are moving it toward fruition.

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  14. True 8:20am We were surprised to see that Councilmember John Capoccia is wavering on this.
    Mr. Capoccia love's a good tax.

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    1. It might be a control issue. John "The Great Tax Fighter" Capoccia has no control over what the county is doing. But here in Sierra Madre he is a big-a-shot.

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    2. If, and I say if he is wavering, it is because he doesn’t want to hit the residents with two parcel taxes. His loyalty would probably go with the Library. Wasn’t he on the Library Board many years ago?

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    3. I don't want any parcel tax. I was told everything would be fine if we passed a 10% UUT. Are you saying I was lied to?

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    4. That depends, 12:55, on whether you can distinguish between a city and a county.

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    5. 12:55 - You were lied to. 1:41 is enabling that lie.

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    6. Who told you 12:55? The city? How did the city communicate that to you? Do you believe what you believe the city told you is binding on the county? How is it binding on the county?

      If necessary, ask 3:19 for help with your answers.

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    7. Yes. Measure UUT supporters have been running from the promises they made as quickly as their little clay feet can take them.

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    8. Local UUT supporters cannot bind the county.

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  15. Central American kids illegally inside the US want to relocate inside a cave 8:10 am?

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    1. A cave might be preferable to a cage in one of Trump's concentration camps.

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    2. Might not be enough room with you already living in it

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    3. I am not living in one of Trump's concentration camps. Trump saves that level of cruelty for children.

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  16. I thought Measure UUT was going to take care of the Library. Was I wrong?

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    1. The UUT increase took care of employee raises. It was the higher priority.

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  17. Urban water runoff? The water running off the mountains should be prestine, no pollutants.
    This is a Jerry Brown money grab, but if money can trickle into the General Fund, the entire council's vote will be a resounding YES.

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    1. This is about a county tax, not a state tax. Our member of the LA Board of Supervisors is Kathryn Barger, who is a Republican.

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    2. You the same guy forwever obsessed with linking the bullet train to the governor?

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  18. That's funny 8:34am. In his own mind Capoccia thinks he is a big shot!

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    1. I'm afraid he is going to become quite a pest once he is termed out. Kind of like Rob Stockley or Bart Doyle.

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  19. Tax whiners should stop using all things paid for with taxes. Hypocrites.

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    1. 8:47 What are your property taxes? How much do you pay in income tax?

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    2. Quite a bit. I just don’t whine about it.

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    3. With a tax burden of 25% — a measurement that includes income, property, and various other taxes — the U.S. is near the very bottom, well below the overall average of 34%. It ranks below all the measured countries except Korea, Chile, and Mexico

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  20. Truth be told 8:36am owns the Carter One property. Finalized your building plans?

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  21. 8:31, our president is a sharp man, he will stiff China like he has others. Only problem is that it may cost American lives. Don't think he really cares about that though.

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    1. Your pr*sident is a foolish, traitor and idiot.

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    2. If Trump is not your President, please move to where your President is.

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    3. Trump is in Putin's pocket. Putin is in Russia. Run to him.

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    4. 2:59. Those that support and give comfort to traitors are traitors themselves.

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    5. Poll: Large majority of women disapprove of Trump's job in office
      Sixty-five percent of women polled said they disapproved of Trump's job as president, while only 32 percent said they approved.
      http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/396127-poll-over-half-of-women-disapprove-of-trumps-job-in-office

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  22. The Councils taking a break during August so that they all can prepare for the next big Parcel Tax to "Save the Library".

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    1. Same Library that was "saved" by the permanent 10% UUT tax passed in 2016?

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  23. 8:49am do more research,you dont have your facts straight on how this new possible ebb and flow tax has come about.

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    1. Unless you explain your point a little better than you have I am going to assume you don't know anything.

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  24. 8:47 laughing out loud at that, you are a divider not a uniter.

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    1. I would prefer to be divided from you. More sanitary that way.

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    2. I’m divided on which 8:47 you mean.

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  25. Rob Stockly, Bart Doyle, Doug Hayes, Joe Mosca, Nancy Walsh,and John Capoccia just to name a few rotten tomatoes that have stunk up the town.

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  26. 8:31am why would China continue to buy US debts?

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    1. Better return, interest rate wise, to buy US bonds instead of someone else's. Besides, you get the strong US dollar instead of the manipulated Chinese yuan.

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  27. So now 8:50am you think China and the US will declare War?
    How about rethinking those thoughts; although it does appear China is becoming hostile.

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  28. The Bad Boys Bart list is so true, would be nice to include all of them in that list.

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  29. You give the man too much credit 9:04 am, Councilman Capoccia has a record of increasing taxes and has made no secret that he supports a parcel tax, or two.

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    1. Cappy first ran as an anti-UUT candidate. Once elected he voted for every tax, rate and fee hike city staff stuck under his nose.

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    2. Capoccia was against taxes before he was for them.

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  30. A "know your Councilmember" list!
    Give names and the amendments supported and passed by these stinkers.
    How have extremly poor decision making votes destroyed the town in less than 20 years.

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  31. The agenda is now available for the joint meeting of the City Council and the Library Board. But there is no staff report, which is unfortunate. This is all very mysterious.
    http://cityofsierramadre.com/UserFiles/Servers/Server_212309/File/SPECIAL%20JOINT%20MEETING%20OF%20THE%20CITY%20COUNCIL%20AND%20LIBRARY%20BOARD%20OF%20TRUSTEES.pdf

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  32. How many of the posters here will show up for the CC meeting? How many of you have ever attended?

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    1. The city council does not pay attention to the public. They work for developers, unions and bankers. Attendance is meaningless.

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    2. The City government is a joke. All they do is tax and spend and tax more and spend some more. This is why people are leaving this State. Sick of the insane useless policies and the endless Taxation and endless Spending. We need some conservatism and some common sense.

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  33. Time for a recall and get it done this time. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-09/trump-s-personal-driver-for-25-years-sues-for-unpaid-overtime

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  34. 3:16pm. The largest majority of women are employed in the White House and through out the Trump Administration, MAGA.

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    1. Obviously the heat has popped this poor Trumpy's peanut head.

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    2. Many Are Getting Arrested.

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    3. The turnover is so high no wonder

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  35. Renaming Developer Services as Planning and Communication Preservation was a good idea. And like many things in Sierra Madre, the words were better than the actions.

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  36. Kavenaugh: A

    1998: “Whether the Constitution allows indictment of a sitting president is debatable.”

    2009: “A president who is concerned about an ongoing criminal investigation is almost inevitably going to do a worse job as president.” (Not even an investigation?!)

    “The net neutrality rule is unlawful....”

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    1. No wonder Trump picked him. Trump would love to be above the law. Especially those dealing with treason.

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