Sunday, July 15, 2018

Where's The Collusion? Trump Is Colluding With Russia Right Now

Mod: A rather extraordinary piece from David Rothkkopf in The Daily Beast that not only explains Trump's collusion with Russia, but also details how it continues today. Hopefully this will answer all of the questions about collusion that some have left here.

The Way Trump and the GOP Deal with Russian Attacks is ‘Textbook Treason’ (The Daily Beast link): The indictments of the 12 Russian military officers who engaged in a coordinated attack on the United States to try to make their preferred candidate our president are a vital reminder that the Mueller investigation cannot and must not be seen as a political issue.

The fact that Friday we also heard from our Director of National Intelligence, Dan Coats, a conservative GOP former senator from Indiana, that the cyber offensive of which the GRU, Russian military intelligence, attacks were part is ongoing and that "we are at a critical point" in which "the warning signs are there" is also salient.

It is not an accident that both these strong statements were made as the U.S. president prepared for his ill-considered and unnecessary private meeting with Vladimir Putin — the man who certainly approved, oversaw and continues to oversee these attacks. 

It is clear that the intelligence and law enforcement communities of the United States — adhering to the principles of patriotism enumerated by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein yesterday — felt that a message needed to be sent to the Russians that we were on to them.  

Typically, such a message would be delivered by the president in such a meeting but this president has proven to be the staunchest defender of Putin and the most active advocate of covering up or denying these attacks. He did it again this week even while knowing of the indictments.

Do the indictments and the Coats statement (again, both delivered by Republicans) also send a message that they do not fully trust the president to deliver that message or to press the Russians on it?  I believe they do.

Further, the White House response to the indictments — which again does not deal with the ongoing threat to our democracy posed by the Russians but instead (wrongly) seeks to exonerate the president from his involvement in this affair — confirms the wisdom of their actions.

This is an extraordinary moment. It is without equal not only in American history but in modern history. A hostile foreign power intervened in our election to help elect a man president who has since actively served their interests and has defended them at every turn. Trump may deny collusion. But given that this the attack continues, denying it is collusion, distracting from it is collusion, obstructing the investigation of it is collusion — because all these things enable it to go on.

That the president is abetted in his aid for the Russians — again, in the midst of this ongoing attack — by the leadership of the Republican Party makes the situation all the more extraordinary and dangerous. As they seek to undermine the investigation, they serve Russia as directly as if they were officers of the GRU. Some now reportedly seek to impeach Rosenstein on trumped up charges. To attack one of the leaders of our national defense as we are being attacked and to do so to benefit our foreign adversary is textbook treason.

That is strong language. But consider this: If we updated our definitions of war to include cyberwar, then aiding a foreign power engaged in such a war against us would certainly meet the Constitutional definition: “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”

When only semantics protect our president and our ruling party from the harsh sentences treason demands, we need to recognize the severity of the situation. But more importantly, we need to recognize one of the most important implications of yesterday: that while we who watch or chat on cable news have lost the plot here, while GOP makes it about personal attacks on FBI officers, while the President makes it about him, while many of us make it about partisan politics, Robert Mueller and Rod Rosenstein have kept their eye on the ball.

They recognize as does Coats and as do the leaders of our intelligence community and as does every law enforcement and national security expert with whom I have spoken that this is, above all and most urgently, is a national security crisis for the United States.

We have been the target of the most successful cyber and information warfare operation in history and that operation is ongoing. We have great capabilities to defend ourselves as the indictments’ bravura act of naming names and specific military units revealed. But the Russians are gaining know-how daily, too.

At stake are the results in our 2018 and 2020 elections and the integrity of our political system. This enemy seeks not only to put puppets or weak or deficient leaders in place, it seeks to gain leverage over them as they come to realize they are advertently or not the beneficiaries of the Russian attacks. (We now know clearly how that works.)

They seek to use them to advance their interests on a broad international front (consider their success in achieving this goal thus far in this administration … you need look back no further than this week's NATO Summit.)

If they succeed, America will be profoundly weakened, our standing, our alliances and the international system we built may be irreversibly damaged.

What is more, at this point, given the success the Russians have had to date and the power of their defenders within our system, we simply do not know whether this ambitious campaign of theirs will continue succeed. Their collaborators could kill the investigation that is revealing the scope and nature of their plans. Their colluders could win victory after victory. And so can the Russians.

Ex-Watergate Prosecutor Drops Bomb: Mueller Prepping Indictments For Trump Campaign Officials (Politicus USA link): Former Watergate Prosecutor Nick Akerman dropped a bomb on Saturday, saying the details in Robert Mueller’s Friday indictment of 12 Russians indicate that the special counsel is preparing similar indictments of Trump campaign officials.

Akerman said “there is no way” the Russians would have been able to carry out their aggressive attack on U.S. democracy without the help of people on the ground from the Trump campaign.

“[Robert Mueller and his team] know who the Americans are,” the ex-Watergate prosecutor said. “They know who is going to be indicted.”

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123 comments:

  1. Does attacking Mueller in order to defend Trump makes you guilty of collusion? If so, then there are some obvious colluders commenting on this blog.

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  2. Imagine being a trump supporter and still able to get thru life? Such as hold a job, raise a family. How do they function is a mystery for the ages.

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    1. All they care about is Trump is not black.

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    2. im starting to feel like a kid and its a few days before xmas… the anticipation is growing.... come on Mueller lets make the payoff worth the anticipation!!! please lordy please!

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    3. The Trump admin perp-walk is going to look more like a conga line.

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    4. Russian hacking or not, I'm 100% jubilant that Hillary Rodham Clinton didn't get elected. If she had, the Mod wouldn't be engaging in any coverage of local issues whatsoever. He'd be overloaded reporting on her scandals, debt addition, and unethical behavior (i.e. trademark Clinton activity).

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  3. These latest indictments show it was the Russian military that hacked our democracy. This is now an "act of war" against the USA. Let's get past the words "Collusion, conspire, and traitor" and call any cooperation with Russia by what it really is: Treason.

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    1. Remember 7:10, all that matters is the Dow is up, trump followers don’t have brain capacity to think beyond that. Treason is way to complex for their little minds.

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    2. The Dow and high level investments probalby don't apply to 99% of the dTrumpft supporters.

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  4. Imagine the bombshell it would be if we found out Trump sent a secret message to the Russian government asking them to hack Clinton on July 27th & they did the same day. He did exactly that publicly. Our cognitive bias is silly, thinking covert messages are worse than public ones

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  5. Yep.

    "This is an extraordinary moment. It is without equal not only in American history but in modern history. A hostile foreign power intervened in our election to help elect a man president who has since actively served their interests and has defended them at every turn.

    Trump may deny collusion. But given that this the attack continues, denying it is collusion, distracting from it is collusion, obstructing the investigation of it is collusion — because all these things enable it to go on.

    That the president is abetted in his aid for the Russians — again, in the midst of this ongoing attack — by the leadership of the Republican Party makes the situation all the more extraordinary and dangerous. As they seek to undermine the investigation, they serve Russia as directly as if they were officers of the GRU. Some now reportedly seek to impeach Rosenstein on trumped up charges. To attack one of the leaders of our national defense as we are being attacked and to do so to benefit our foreign adversary is textbook treason. "

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  6. "I think the European Union is a foe," Trump says ahead of Putin meeting in Helsinki
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-interview-cbs-news-european-union-is-a-foe-ahead-of-putin-meeting-in-helsinki-jeff-glor/

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  7. 7:51 it's hard to count the # of times this has happened around the world. First time it was effective against our nation to this degree. This is where we hope our laws protect us from such attacks.

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  8. What a joke. Do they conspire with the Nigerians too because there is “no way” a Nigerian can send an email without the help of trump officials. Also news flash Christopher Steele isn’t a us citizen and Hillary paid him to interfere in the election.

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    1. Can you explain how Christopher Steele interfered with the election? As far as I can tell you are making no sense here.

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    2. 8:41 never males sense.

      Conservatives initiated the opp research that eventually included the Steele dossier.

      Now go back to watching Brit Murdoch’s propagate channel.

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  9. Off topic, but I have received over 100 tweets from Carol Canterbury in the month of July alone. Does anyone know why she is so generous with them?

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  10. The Scary part of all this is how many traitorous followers he has. Bet when you look at all of them many will belong to a military group that are well armed.

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  11. We spend $80 billion and have 100,000 people working at 16 government agencies spying on the world recording calls and intercepting emai all day every day. 12 Russians trick stupid Hillary and you have. Melt down. Dishonest.

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    1. Why do you hate America and its defense and intelligence services?

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    2. And when Obama admin recorded British prime minister calls and German chancellor calls was that an act of war?

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    3. Oh dear. More pointless "whattaboutism" from another morally bankrupt collaborator.

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    4. From Russia With Hatred for the US.

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  12. Should I feel left out for not getting any from Carol? She is in sales you know.

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    1. She must not be selling very much.

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  13. Rosenstein said Friday ““There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime. There is no allegation that the conspiracy changed the vote count or affected any election result. The special counsel’s investigation is ongoing and there will be no comments on the special counsel at this time.”
    you really are unhinged

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    1. I think the key words here are "at this time." You should take that to mean there will be more indictments on the way. But let me ask you a question. Why do you hate America and those who are defending this country from a foreign attack?

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    2. You’re doing the job our enemies want. Undermining the results of an election you stupidly claimed wouldn’t happen. Sowing lies to undermine our democracy.

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    3. Yes, That is exactly what Putin's American puppets are doing. Thank you.

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    4. "The special counsel’s investigation is ongoing."

      Obviously 8:49 did not actually read what he cut and pasted here.

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    5. After a year of investigating no American has been accused of working with the Russians to "interfere" in the election. Spies were indicted for being spies. Should our spies now all face indictment by foreign countries? Should our military personnel be indicted for war crimes at the Hague? Where do you think this is going?

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    6. Except for all of those indictments and the 5 guilty pleas, plus Trump's campaign manager being in the pokey, yeah, nothing at all has happened. The investigation continues.

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    7. 9:55 is a foreign terrorist

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    8. Do countries spy for no purpose?

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    9. Do idiots comment for no purpose?

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  14. It is the old white male 8:46 that you are dealing with. Wants to tell women what to do with their bodies and control them like is done is a lot of countries. Women, wake up and protect your selves. Soon it will be too late and their will be bloodshed.

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  15. 8:52, forgive them, they know not what they do. The strong hate in those followers has obviously caused blindness to the attack the US is under.

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    1. A murderous Russian dictator's minions have been indicted for crimes against America, and the current American president is going to Helsinki to kiss his ass. That is a lot to forgive.

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    2. Russian spies spied. Should Russia indict the 52000 employees of the NSA who spy on Russia and intercept and record their email?

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    3. Why do you equate the service of the brave men and women who serve in the defense of America's interests with those of our enemies? Do you hate your country that much?

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    4. Russian meddling in U.S. elections may go back to the Tea Party ‘revolution’ of 2008
      https://timeline.com/ron-paul-russia-hacking-e248f87f38f2

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    5. 9:05 sounds like a 1960s hippy talking about Viet Nam and the CIA.

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    6. 9:05 is a foreign terrorist

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  16. Women should vote their findings, not what the husband tells them.

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    1. Women don’t need husbands

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  17. Forgive them not, they are traitors that know exactly what they do.

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  18. 9:05 what do you think your tax money is going for, it's not all welfare to other nations. The spying is obvious we need to follow our countries laws that protect us from such attacks.

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  19. So its cool with you that because 12 russians tricked stupid Hillary the rest of the world should indict our FBI and CIA and NSA And DIA directors and arrest them when they are overseas for intercepting their politicians emails? That's only fair right? And then what.

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    1. You are not American

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    2. Poorly translated gibberish.

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  20. Whether it will work is an entirely different question, but there can be little doubt that Trump’s core global strategy will destroy any illusions in Moscow, or anywhere else, that Russia is a peer competitor of the United States. A Trump administration is going to be four years of hell for Russia: a massive American doubling down on shale production along with a major military buildup. Trump is, in other words, a nightmare for Putin and a much, much bigger threat to Putin’s goals than President Obama ever was or wanted to be.

    If Trump were the Manchurian candidate that people keep wanting to believe that he is, here are some of the things he’d be doing:

    Limiting fracking as much as he possibly could
    Blocking oil and gas pipelines
    Opening negotiations for major nuclear arms reductions
    Cutting U.S. military spending
    Trying to tamp down tensions with Russia’s ally Iran
    That Trump is planning to do precisely the opposite of these things may or may not be good policy for the United States, but anybody who thinks this is a Russia appeasement policy has been drinking way too much joy juice.
    Obama actually did all of these things, and none of the liberal media now up in arms about Trump ever called Obama a Russian puppet; instead, they preferred to see a brave, farsighted and courageous statesman. Trump does none of these things and has embarked on a course that will inexorably weaken Russia’s position in the world, and the media, suddenly flushing eight years of Russia dovishness down the memory hole, now sounds the warning that Trump’s Russia policy is treasonously soft.

    This foolishness is best understood as an unreasoning panic attack. The liberal media hate Trump more than they have hated any American politician in a generation, and they do not understand his supporters or the sources of his appeal. They are frantically picking up every available stick to beat him, in the hopes that something, somehow, will Miloize him.

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    1. Explain Trump's attack on the EU this morning, or wanting to curtail US military involvement with the NATO countries? And in South Korea? Or jacking up gas prices, which puts money directly into Putin's pockets? Russia's economy is the size of Spain. It is a weak and insignificant country. Yet Trump can't seem to kiss Putin's ass enough. Blaming the media for reporting the obvious doesn't prove anything except how blind you are to the bald fatso's collaboration with America's enemies. Stop hating America so much and maybe you will suddenly be able to see.

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    2. 9:35 is engaging in Teanuttery.

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    3. 9:35 conveniently forgets that Trump personally got the Saudis to reduce oil production to jack up oil prices to the highest level in years, all to get cash for his Russian master, who really needed a cash infusion.

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    4. dude, I think the Tattler's issue with trumped is that he exploited foreign governments in a dirty campaign to cheat the election.

      I'm from New York. the guy is a classic mobster. He doesn't care about the masses... but he will exploit them to secure more power for his family ans allies.

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  21. If only all politicians had a business background this country would be in better shape.

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    1. Well George bush had a business background.. blew six trillion dollars on two fake wars, caused the creation of isis, creates the biggest beaurocracy in our history, and caused the Great Recession

      So much for your dumb theory

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    2. 9:50, next time ask your mummy for help on your posts.

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  22. TG that World Leaders understand that America has a new President and new ways of dealing on a level playing field.

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    1. I think most European world leaders have a good understanding of where the Special Counsel's investigation is going, and that trump wont be around for too much longer. After all, a lot of the intelligence Mueller has had its origin with European intelligence services. They know all about what the loudmouth is facing.

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    2. So its ok for foreign intelligence agencies to spy on US politicians you dont like.

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    3. Trump's supporters seem to want to give them the vote.

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    4. 9:56, make that “new ways of dealing with an idiot”.

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  23. He,he,he. The tattler resident racist will love this. The stealing from cyberspace among other identifiers is called whitespace!

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    1. Where is Baby Adolph today?

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    2. Russia is several hours ahead. He's either sleeping or covering one of the other blogs he's paid to troll.

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    3. I don't think the vodka is helping him.

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  24. Historian Doug Wead makes a valid point. The talks between President Trump and President Putin will be more of a financially beneficial meeting for both countries.
    Working together against terrorism.

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    1. Why are they meeting alone in a private room with nobody else there but a translator?

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    2. It’s a Personnel/HR requirement. Trump’s annual performance review is confidential.

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    4. 10:57 haha so true

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    5. 10:27, you’re expecting too much from the idiot American, remember he hates the daily security briefings and doesn’t read the reports, so how exactly is he going to fight terrorism if he doesn’t even know who the threats are?

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    6. Look at Syria. They have no interest to work together against terrorism.

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  25. Sad you don't know the Rules of Engagement that has kept our country safe for all these years. Traitors are dividing us up from within and it's working. Love America, hate Trump.

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  26. 10:03am the "Special Council" is going nowhere with these indictments; that is, unless you travel overseas and personally convince the Russian basement dwellers to turn themselves in!

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    1. Not true. Many Trump campaign/administration co-conspirators are squirming and losing sleep this weekend. They may be next.

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    2. Stick to your pizza-gate Benghazi bs you foreign traitor

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  27. Mueller told Trump a week in advance about the indictment.

    Wouldn’t it be great if Trump or one of his vice chancellors tipped off Moscow so Vlad could get any traveling indictees back to mother Russia before the announcement?

    Did Mueller give Trump a chance to commit another crime?

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    1. I have no doubt whatsoever that Trump shares American secrets with Vladimir Putin. That is what fully pawned agents do.

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    2. Hence the reason why none of their encounter will be recoded or photographed. (Once was enough seeing Putin shirtless).

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    3. Trump is the head of the executive branch of our government. He is the ultimate legal authority as to what is secret or not and he can reveal anything he wants to reveal or not. You seem to think that there is some "government" separate and apart from Congress, the courts and the executive branch. All of your assumptions about what Trump can and cannot do are absurd and based on false premises. For instance, Trump cannot "obstruct" justice. He is in charge of the DOJ and all US attorney's and they are required under the constitution to obey his orders because he is the head of the executive branch. That's like saying Trump, who is the commander in chief, can be "court-martialed" by the military if he does something they dont like. Do you really want a government not controlled and answerable to elected officials?

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    4. The Department of Justice operates independently of the President's office. in cases like this. This isn't Mussolini's Italy, though I suspect you wish it was.

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  28. 8:51am such a camedian, like you can tell a woman to do "anything"!

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    1. You foreigners have the worst spelling

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  29. There is perceptibly a lot to realize about this. I
    feel you made various good points in features also.

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    1. All your base are belong to us

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  30. For 9 years this blog has done more harm than good. You're responsible.

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    1. 10 years. If you don't like don't come here.

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    2. 12:16, scared of free speech ? Maybe move to a country that allows it.

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    3. Lady Wistaria is back?

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    4. She's obviously high on unicorn gas.

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  31. This blog masks how ineffective you are outside, in the real world. The only causes you are contributing to are the causes of mobbing and public shaming. Real change does not stem from these tactics. They only cause division, alienation, and bitterness.

    And you have descended into lies and fantasy...insisting that Trump is a traitor when you have no evidence this is true and in fact the evidence shows that Trump is the only modern President acting to confront and weaken our world competitors. Russia is a weak and economically inconsequential country and is no more our enemy than France is.

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    1. This blog is ineffective, yet you claim it is responsible for mass discord? Quite a mood swing there, Tootie.

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    2. Why you so obsessed about defending russia’s Reputation?

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    3. It's a Tea-reason thing. You wouldn't understand.

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    4. 12:36 is part of the GOP's new civility push, all brought to you by people who kidnap children and don't like being called the kidnappers they are and by people who have sold out the US who don't like to be called the traitors they are.

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  32. About 1-in-5 illegal alien adults crossing the United States-Mexico border with toddlers under the age of five are either criminals, not the child’s parent, or present some other danger to the child.
    A new report released by the White House finds that of the 102 border crossing toddlers who were mandated by the courts to be reunited with the illegal alien adults they arrived with, 21 of the adults were found to be unfit to be reunited with the toddlers they crossed with.

    This means that about 1-in-5 illegal alien adults arriving in the U.S. with toddlers are not eligible to have those children placed back in their care and custody after being separated at the border.

    The White House outlined the cases of the 21 illegal alien adults who are unfit to be reunited with the toddlers they arrived with. Those cases include:

    11 of the illegal aliens have criminal records:

    Warrant for murder in Guatemala
    Child cruelty and narcotics convictions
    Suspected transnational criminal organization involvement and human trafficking
    Outstanding criminal warrant in El Salvador
    2 DUI convictions
    Significant criminal history including assault conviction
    Outstanding warrant in Florida for DUI
    DUIs, assault, stolen vehicle
    Robbery conviction
    Wanted by El Salvador
    Criminal charges including assault
    7 of the illegal aliens not the parents of the toddler:

    Adult said he is uncle, not father
    Negative DNA match, adult indicated he is not the child’s father
    Adult said she is grandmother, not mother
    During DNA testing, adult disclosed she is not the child’s mother
    Negative DNA match, still under investigation
    Adult disclosed that she is grandmother, not the parent
    Adult presented false birth certificate, still under investigation
    2 of the illegal aliens present a danger to the toddler:

    Before court order, adult was required to submit information and fingerprints of other adults in household where she will live with the child; background check on adult male in household shows an active warrant for aggravated criminal sexual assault of a 10-year-old female.
    Child made allegations of abuse against adult
    1 of the illegal aliens has a communicable disease:

    21. Parent is being treated for communicable disease in ICE custody

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    1. This issue is driven solely by race. Your nonsense doesn't change that.

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    2. So only 105 immigrants with children entered the USA? fearless leader is misleading you.......

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    3. Those percentages are parallel to the number of trump advisors who have plead guilty to crimes.


      Lock yer doors- they’s a’comin ya got ya!!

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    4. 4:39 - of course he's easily fooled. Look at the fool he supports.

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    5. These replies to facts only validate the similarity between Sierra Madre's residents and those of Rock Ridge (i.e. Blazing Saddles)

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  33. 10:50am why so paranoid? How do you leave your house everyday? Or do you?

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  34. Careful 1:07pm belongs to the eight is too late club, importing "domestic help" is a high priority for them, reguardless of race.

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    1. What country you from ?

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  35. Hey 12:59, those statistics apply to many Americans born here as well. Likely including you. Try again dumbass.

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  36. Lol 1:32pm this blog is the entertainment of the bloggers and moderator.

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  37. 1:30P The difference is they were born here. Doesn’t make it any better but it is ours to deal with. Unlike Mexico. You may just be the dumb ass.

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    1. They just coming back to the homeland that used to be theirs. Like the Jews in Israel

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  38. Too bad they weren’t from Mexico. Study a world map.

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  39. In Mexico you say "you dumb Mule".
    For the older blogger 1:30pm, that translates to Drug Pusher; save yourself, don't do drugs.

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  40. Real conservatives don't support traitors.

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  41. Yes 5:14pm you tell the Palestinian occupants to leave Israel, you have a great point!

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    1. ok - after you move back to siberia first

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  42. LOLOLOL!
    just saw the new Sacha Baron Cohen trailer... jackass right-wing buerocratic elitists get so played!!! hahahahaa

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  43. Tea monkeys beat down againJuly 15, 2018 at 6:55 PM

    Gowdy rules out Rosenstein impeachment --- Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) on Sunday ruled out the possibility of impeaching Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, saying there is not enough support for his ouster.

    "I'm not convinced there is a movement," Gowdy said on CBS's "Face the Nation," citing Politico's recent report that a group of GOP lawmakers are preparing to impeach Rosenstein.

    Conservatives frustrated with special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian involvement in the 2016 election have long targeted Rosenstein. Some lawmakers claim he has delayed their investigation into FBI agents

    "Impeach him for what?" Gowdy said. "No."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gowdy-rules-out-rosenstein-impeachment/ar-AAA7wv1

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  44. Ted Lieu: "Dear @realDonaldTrump...Are you out of your frickin mind?"

    Dear @realDonaldTrump: Please get the European Union to stop aiming nukes at America. Please get them to stop attacking our elections. Please get them to stop invading other countries.

    Oh wait, the European Union is not doing any of the above. Are you out of your frickin mind?

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  45. Trump thinks the russians are his "friends." They've been grooming him for 30 years by bailing him out of his failed real estate projects (using purchases to launder the pillaged wealth,) all while stoking his ego with the false "deal maker, real estate tycoon" nonsense. Trump thinks that they think he's this big deal and, thus, that makes him think he's their "friend" and vice versa. That's why he has all the late night pillow-talk calls with Putin. He's "the only one who understands, the only one who sees me as who I am -- a big and powerful mogul!"

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    1. They're not his friends; they're his partners, partners who have a great deal of leverage over him, whether for personal perversions or (very likely) money laundering.

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  46. The Dems (et others) are making a huge ordeal about this Russian hacking scenario, which is ironic given that they do NOTHING about voter fraud (other than participating in it wholeheartedly) and adamantly OPPOSE the implementation of Voter ID laws at any level, national, local, or otherwise. The old adage, "Don't throw rocks at people if you live in a glass house" comes to mind on this one. . .

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    1. This is another fake right-wing conspiracy talking point like pizza gate, benghazi, obama-is-Muslim

      Been disproven multiple times as a sham

      Like you

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    2. That old adage has nothing to do with the Russian subversion of our elections, thus revealing your mind to be quite muddled.

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