Wednesday, August 1, 2018

Tuesday Evening at the City Council Prop 218 Water Lounge: Yet Another Tea Party Loss

Video link here
So the new water rates went through last night. 225 Prop 218 water rate protests were filed, and 179 protests against those sewer rate so-called adjustments. Just a few thousand protest ballots short in each case.

This is pretty much in line with the Tea Party's poor performance with their 2018 anti-UUT effort known as Measure D. Never had an anti-tax measure in Sierra Madre done as badly as that one. Now their water and sewer rate hike Prop 218 strategies were revealed last night for all to see, and boy did they ever stink the place up.

Let's be honest, we're talking about the two worst run so-called citizen-led campaigns to control water rates and utility taxes the City of Sierra Madre has yet seen. It is hard to believe that Sierra Madre actually once had a reputation for being a town that could successfully stand up to its city government over taxes and water rates. That's certainly dead in the water now.

Three times in the not too distant past efforts to raise utility taxes were defeated at the polls. 2010, 2012 and 2014. Then the Tea Party arrived into town, Measure D was concocted, and everything went south pronto. The result being Sierra Madre's ability to realistically fight tax and rate increases is now a distant memory.

The city expected that people would not understand much about water and sewer rate issues, and those who showed up to talk last night proved them right. I don't think a single one of last night's speakers spent ever spent much time to try and understand the real moving forces behind rate and tax increases in Sierra Madre. Instead they bought into a bunch of ridiculous and patently false nonsense, and just rolled with that instead.

Rates and taxes constantly go up in Sierra Madre because of debt. Water bond debt, and CalPERS debt. The city just shipped out a whopping $5 million dollar balloon payment to CalPERS in order to ward off potential financial insolvency in the next couple of years. $28.5 million dollars is what the City of Sierra Madre had owed to CalPERS. Including interest.

Let me ask you. Do you really think you've seen your last tax hike?

Bond debt, which consumes a considerable chunk of the water department's budget, had more than doubled over the last decade and a half before it was only modestly refinanced last year. Why? Because some fools in 2003 decided it was smart to make interest only payments on that debt for a decade and a half. At a cost of millions of dollars to water rate payers.

Ever wonder why water infrastructure is as bad as it is? Could it be because every spare dime the water department ever had was being sent to various east coast banks to pay for ridiculously expensive and badly financed bond debt? And will continue to do so well into the 2030s?

Here's a question for you. Did you know that some of the people who cooked up that interest only payment water bond scheme, and also gave away the farm to CalPERS, are the same folks who are now leading the charge to establish a parcel tax so they can pay $9 million dollars to raze and replace a Library building that doesn't really need to be replaced?

It does all tie together quite nicely.

And do you know what else? Based on what I saw last night, I'll bet they get away with it.

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84 comments:

  1. This whole process was enough to piss off the Good Humor man!

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  2. Mod, you led the fight against the UUT increase at least two of the mentioned times. Given the success of those efforts, why didn't you continue your momentum?

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    1. How do you work with people who are completely wrong, don't know what they're talking about, and won't make a move until they are told what to think by TeaPac? You saw what happened last night. Are these the people you are going to entrust to fight the parcel tax?

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    2. These are essentially the same group of people with some slight deviation you previously convinced to do the right thing, so there must still be some hope, correct?

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    3. Capoccia, Harabedian, Goss and the Library folks will run their parcel tax campaign against the Tea Party. Just like they did their UUT campaigns in 2016 and 2018. As far as those folks are concerned, TeaPac is the best thing that ever happened. It completely changed the political tax dynamic in this town in their favor. The only hope I see here is passing the parcel tax will take a two thirds vote. However, Measure D got around 20% approval.

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  3. Where are the replacement folks for the old timers that have been fighting for the good of Sierra Madre all these many years?

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    1. They need to be brought up to speed and these new water rates might just do the trick.

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    2. The “replacement folks” are too busy working to subsidize the “old timers” via the socialistic Prop 13 redistribution of income and wealth from the young to the old.

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    3. The people who should be stepping up don't see any need to do so. On the surface, things look pretty good.

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    4. There’s nothing socialistic about prop 13. Young and old people buy property all the time. Your anger is misplaced

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    5. As a beneficiary of Prop 13, I’m not angry about it—I’m just not deluded about it.

      Prop 13 is a redistribution of income and wealth from new buyers to existing homeowners. It, like the social security payments you receive or look forward to receiving, is a redistributive socialist program.

      Let me save you the trouble of posting that you “pay in to ss.” You will likely receive far more than you put in thanks to the young who will subsidize you in your old age and also pay the national debt that has supported your lifestyle.

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    6. Social Security, like public pensions, are Ponzi schemes, as 8:03 describes. It's just that Social Security is far more sustainable, and with that said, is still scheduled to go insolvent by 2035 or so. Sure would be interesting to love in a world where people retire based in their own ability to save and plan for it without assistance. I'd do absolutely fine, most wouldn't I'm afraid.

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    7. Rubbish. Everyone puts money into Social Security during their working years, and withdraws that money when they retire. Something that I suspect you are doing right now.

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    8. You get more out than you pay in, so you’re being subsidized by others.

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    9. You have proof of that? Or is this more of your BS.

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  4. What is TeaPac?

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    1. What are daisies?

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    2. Are right leaning yellow bellied snowflakes

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    3. Putin's American 5th column.

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    4. 8:50, that's far better than left leaning tax & spend Dummycrats.

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    5. Trump has committed this country to an addition trillion dollars in debt. This in the last year alone. You are failing at all levels of government.

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    6. 9:10 still smarter than republicans - they overspend and don’t tax.... worsening our debt!!!

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  5. I hope they get away with it. I like the new Sierra Madre. I like it a lot.

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    1. Enjoy constant development. Why not lobby for the four story buildings all through downtown that was at the heart of the Downtown Specific Plan?

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    2. 7:29 - supporting the financially disastrous policies of the 2002/2004 city councils is not "new."

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  6. We could just give it and name the place Pasadena North, and Arcadia West. Northwest Pasadia.

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  7. The council who made the decision to put us into crippling debt was banking on expansion. They dreamed (and some still do) of a much bigger city here.

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    1. Yes, and the village idiots of Rock Ridge (and Sierra Madre) are VERY resistant and opposed to change of any kind.

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    2. The expansion they were banking on was the DSP. They committed a fortune in bond money to it before getting the approval of the resisidents. This turned out to be a disaster for this city.

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  8. 7:20 you are so misinformed and looking at 13 all wrong. 13 protects everyone from runaway property tax. You should really look at the big picture and relish the benefits you are receiving. You may be working now but things change in the future, some people in the Hollywood Hills had their taxes raised a thousand a year. These older unemployed home owners or renters could not afford such outrageous tax increases. Could you? How many times do senior citizens pay for roads, schools, police, fire, Library's and the list goes on. What do we do move out the old and replace them with rich people? That is what's happening if you look, you will see.

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    1. I could afford the tax increases because I plan ahead and live within not only my current but also my future means.

      Prop 13 takes money from some and gives it to others who failed to plan ahead or live with their means, or both.

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    2. You just hate seniors and want their property.

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    3. You know, of course, 9:57, that with that economic argument, you lost bigly.

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    4. 9:57- that was immature

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    5. It is all about the money. And the lying, of course. As provided at 12:43 and 1:04.

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    6. 2:38am stayed up until 2:38am and still couldn’t figure it out, so he called people liars without stating stating what the lie was or providing any facts.

      Sleep 2:38. The adults are talking now.

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    7. Ah shaddap with your crap.

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    8. 2:36/8:38 is very grumpy from all that late night thinking and thinking that failed to free him from bewilderment.

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  9. The recent city manager will be the same as the old one. There goals are the same and we will pay for them.

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  10. The group of downtowners, just like the Mod and a few of his bloggers are the reasons why Sierra Madre is falling into the money pit with very little to show in the long run compared to the the histories of this town.
    The old timer replacement folks have thrown up their hands in disgust, realizing that "you" all admire the problems,but dont have any solutions.

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    1. What are your solutions?

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    2. Hey, I recognize your writing style.. you’re the trump guy! I have a solution.

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    3. I think 8:35's solution is to make America great again. Or some such sloganeering nonsense.

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    4. Naw, that for red-hat haters. My solution is to allow volunteerism for city projects. Conduct fundraiser for municipal projects, get rid of the library (there’s one just a mile away), pay down the bond debt, leave the traffic signs as they are, spruce up Kersting court a bit, and better market the city’s events

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  11. Iam an old timer, it is your turn now.

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    1. My sentiments exactly, but I think the cost of our walking away from the effort is that the greedy developers will win. Let me anticipate your response - well if they do, it'll be because others did not take responsibility and it's not my damn problem anymore.

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    2. So the situation were in is your fault


      Thanks for blowing it

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  12. 7:29am your time, your dime.

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  13. Dah, the Parcel Tax will be run like it has always been planned, about four years in the making.
    Do not stretch yourself too thin with your slanted views naming the Tea Party folk as not being on the front lines of change, they have been instrumental with the majority of change.
    To date, your understanding of the city, the ordinances and zoning regulations have continually missed their mark with your rants on what your emotions tell you.

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    1. Can you give any examples of Tea Party accomplishments in Sierra Madre?

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    2. They exposed that Mcgokle guy to be the clown that he is.

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  14. Some people enjoy having their share of taxes paid by others.

    But what they enjoy more is complaining about the highly discounted amount they do pay.

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  15. 8:57, and what is wrong with wanting to preserve something as peaceful as Sierra Madre. People who travel to other countries to witness and live in the hundreds of years old buildings and the looks seem to enjoy and envy what they have. We should be able to preserve our little town the same way.

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    1. I agree 9:31, but the movers and shakers have infiltrated city hall, and I don't think we stand a chance.

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    2. "Deep City" is on the move.

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  16. 8:56am. You advocate for ANYWHERE USA, how quaint, how special.

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    1. Speaking of special, there is no comment at 8:56am.

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    2. Poor troll be canvassing multiple fora at the same time and must be getting them mixed up

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  17. 9:12am
    Or put their DA kids, such as yourself through a University.

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  18. Hey 8:53am, you're the "pillow guy", i recognize a good snooze. Get new material, no nonsense solution.

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  19. The Mueller investigation is corrupt, working off of a dirty dossier.

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  20. To all of you that believe you don’t benefit from Prop 13. If you had a home in Westchester County in NY valued at $1M, your property taxes would be nearly $20,000 plus others assessments. Now shut up. In Ca when you buy your home you know what the property taxes will be. Don’t like the amount...don’t buy the property...just quit complaining. Remember, the older folks are the ones who paid taxes for you education, freeways you drive on, and other things you take for granted.

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    1. “You didn’t build that”
      ~ B. Obama

      Maybe not, but I sure as hell helped yonoay for it, and CalPERS for muni employees, too.

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  21. 8:35,,, some day maybe you'll get some wisdom and you'll figure it out, until then, less talk and more listen will be your best bet.

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  22. Getting easier to spot the builders/real estate investment club people!

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  23. Simple is as simple does.
    The "someday you will figure it out" people place themselves above others, at least in their minds.
    Investment club people vs land squatters?

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  24. Howdy! Do you know if they make any plugins to protect against hackers?
    I'm kinda paranoid about losing everything I've worked hard on. Any
    suggestions?

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    1. Yeahsiree pardner you can plug your ears with your fingers. Works purdy darn good for them redhats among us.

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  25. Meanwhile another fail for the corrupt unamerican trump swamp:

    A U.S. appeals court says President Trump's executive order threatening to withhold funding from "sanctuary cities" that limit cooperation with immigration authorities is unconstitutional.

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    1. Pretty funny to mention unconstitutional in the same breath as (non-law abiding) sanctuary cities. You guys slay me.

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    2. Well, they’re not abiding trump’s unconstitutional law... foo!

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  26. CalPERS and cop benefits will sink cities across Southern California. When cops don't get their way, will they manipulate politics to get their way? I don't know... but maybe you should ask City Manager Chris Jeffers of Glendora.

    "In addition, city employees as well as the Glendora Police Officers’ Association have cited dislike for his perceived negotiation tactics, leading to low morale and tense contract negotiations, according to some employees."

    http://glendoracitynews.com/2017/12/19/glendora-city-manager-not-seeking-extension/

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  27. 3:18pm. Unconstitutional , ha ha ha, what a joke. Thats why the Judge oversees the Appeals Court, he can not obtain a higher office.

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    1. Cool man... the judge graduated with honors from both Yale and Boston Law, so you must be right.. he’ll never make it in the real worlds federal judges.

      Good luck studying for your GED.

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    2. Hey 5:08, next time you’re before a judge be sure to tell the judge you won’t be following any orders from judges at the appellate level and below. See how that works out for you.

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  29. All you MAGA dolts had any brain activity lately?

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  30. City Wide Announcement: Good citizens of Sierra Madre let it be said you have given until it hurts and I know it hurts because "we the elected politicians' have taken every thin dime and wasted it away. But we want assure you that we will continue to do so in to the future sop please stay calm and continue to bend over while we pick you pocket clean. Thank you from the city hall team of mismanagement. 2018 and beyond.

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  31. #FeelTheBern

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-and-jane-sanders-under-fbi-investigation-for-bank-fraud-hire-lawyers/

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