Sunday, August 5, 2018

We Are Q - "Q"uidiots,"Q"uislings or Just Plain Nuts?

Some citizens expressing their concern about the lack of civility in politics.
Mod: The far right just keeps cranking out the lunatics. QAnon is the latest batch to emerge from the dark corners of America. And where is it they go to act out on their insanity? Trump rallies, of course. A place for coming out parties all their own.

We are Q’: A deranged conspiracy cult leaps from the Internet to the crowd at Trump’s ‘MAGA’ tour (Washington Post link) On Tuesday evening, the dark recesses of the Internet lit up with talk of politics.

“Tampa rally, live coverage,” wrote “Dan,” posting a link to President Trump’s Tampa speech in a thread on 8chan, an anonymous image board also known as Infinitechan or Infinitychan, which might be best described as the unglued twin of better-known 4chan, a message board already untethered from reality.

The thread invited “Requests to Q,” an anonymous user claiming to be a government agent with top security clearance, waging war against the so-called deep state in service to the 45th president. “Q” feeds disciples, or “bakers,” scraps of intelligence, or “bread crumbs,” that they scramble to bake into an understanding of the “storm” — the community’s term, drawn from Trump’s cryptic reference last year to “the calm before the storm” — for the president’s final conquest over elites, globalists and deep-state saboteurs.

What Tuesday’s rally in Tampa made apparent is that devotees of these falsehoods — some of which are specific to faith in the president, others garden-variety nonsense with racist and anti-Semitic undertones — don’t just exist in the far reaches of the Web.

Believers in “QAnon,” as the conspiracy theory is known, were front and center at the Florida State Fairgrounds Expo Hall, where Trump came to stump for Republican candidates. As the president spoke, a sign rose from the audience. “We are Q,” it read. Another poster displayed text arranged in a “Q” pattern: “Where we go one we go all.”

The symbol appeared on clothing, too. A man and a woman wore matching white T-shirts with the YouTube logo encircled in a blue “Q.” The video-sharing website came under criticism this week for unwittingly becoming a platform for baseless claims, first promoted on Twitter and Reddit by QAnon believers, that certain Hollywood celebrities are pedophiles. A search for the name of one of those celebrities on Monday returned videos purporting to show his victims sharing their stories.

Maybe they're angry because they didn't get paid?
The prominence of the “Q” symbol turned parts of the audience into a tableau of delusion and paranoia — and offered evidence that QAnon, an outgrowth of the #Pizzagate conspiracy theory that led a gunman to open fire in a D.C. restaurant last year, has leaped from Internet message boards to the president’s “Make America Great Again” tour through America.

Pray Trump mentions Q!” one user wrote on 8chan. He didn’t need to. As hazy corners of the Internet buzzed about the president’s speech, his appearance became a real-life show of force for the community that has mostly operated behind the veil of anonymity on subreddits.

Trump himself has at times been a purveyor of conspiracy theories, most notably in refusing for years to back down from his false claim that Barack Obama was not born in the United States. He also asserted without evidence that Obama had wiretapped Trump Tower, peddled the debunked idea that millions of illegal votes cost him the popular vote and associated the father of Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas with the assassin who shot John F. Kennedy.

But viewing their message boards, it’s clear that QAnon crosses a new frontier. In the black hole of conspiracy in which “Q” has plunged its followers, Trump only feigned collusion to create a pretense for the hiring of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, who is actually working as a “white hat,” or hero, to expose the Democrats. Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and George Soros are planning a coup — and traffic children in their spare time. J.P. Morgan, the American financier, sank the Titanic.

Nuts have a Leader
In the world in which QAnon believers live, Trump’s detractors, such as Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona and Hillary Clinton aide Huma Abedin, wear ankle monitors that track their whereabouts. Press reports are dismissed as “Operation Mockingbird,” the name given to the alleged midcentury infiltration of the American media by the CIA. The Illuminati looms large in QAnon, as do the Rothschilds, a wealthy Jewish family vilified by the conspiracy theorists as the leaders of a satanic cult. Among the world leaders wise to satanic influences, the theory holds, is Russian President Vladimir Putin.

QAnon flirts with eschatology, fascist philosophy and the filmmaking of Francis Ford Coppola. Adherents believe a “Great Awakening” will precede the final storm foretold by Trump. Once they make sense of the information drip-fed to them by “Q,” they will usher in a Christian revival presaging total victory.

The implication is that resolving the clues left by “Q” would not just explain Trump’s planned countercoup. It would also explain the whole universe.

When “Q” is absent for long stretches of time, followers take note.

“Please tell me where to go,” one wrote last month. “I feel lost without Q.”

Mod: The rest of the article is available at the link.

Are white people ready to bail on democracy? These researchers say the danger is real (Salon link): Donald Trump's combination of racism and authoritarianism, made repeatedly clear through his words and deeds, has not been disqualifying for his voters and most Republicans. Indeed it is central to his appeal and has lured tens of millions of Americans into his movement.

In an increasingly diverse and cosmopolitan America, this combination is like a dagger pointed at the heart of the country’s democracy. Whether our republic can survive changing racial demographics and white racial paranoia, and how much Donald Trump’s racist and authoritarian movement is really a deviation from America’s historic norms, is very much in question.

It seems clear that white identity politics has helped the Republican Party maintain control over its voters and that a large number of white Americans value the privilege conferred on them by skin color more than they value democracy.

Mod: Hit the link for the rest.

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64 comments:

  1. This is just how Hitler lead his people to the slaughter as well learn from history and stop repeating it.

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  2. Follow the Russian money, and tighten your seatbelt
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/follow-the-russian-money-and-tighten-your-seatbelt/2018/08/03/a0397c40-967f-11e8-a679-b09212fb69c2_story.html?utm_term=.87a091d2e28b

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  3. Trump Privately ‘Fearful’ That Don Jr. ‘Wandered Into Legal Jeopardy’: Reports
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-worried-about-legal-trouble-for-trump-jr_us_5b6656aee4b0b15abaa3e7da

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  4. Obama advocating violence? Snopes says true.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bringing-a-gun-to-a-knife-fight/

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    1. Honestly, with the current state of the lunatic fringe dominated GOP, it would probably be better to bring a tank.

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    2. This is a debunked fake right-wing outcry - obama used that rhetorical figure of speech over a decade ago before he was president at fundraiser comparing Chicago / Philadelphia political styles.

      Same as when the right wing crybabies were up in arms when obama used the ‘lipstick on a pig’ phrase and they faked it was an attack on Palin so the could pretend to be victimized in public

      Fake accisatiin disguised as being an innocent question

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    3. Debunked? Snopes verified it as true. True again!
      #InconvenientTruth

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    4. I support Obama's statement. Have you asked your mom to let you hide at her house yet?

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  5. There are lunatics on both sides. Recognize that and move on.

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    1. I take it you're on the Q side.

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    2. 7/47- ther’s More than two sides. All these fringe idiots are disproportionately apmlified to the point we can’t just move in anymore

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  6. Trump always interested in 'finding a black person or a brown person' to call 'dumb'

    Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio) is accusing President Trump of “race-baiting” after his latest comments criticizing NBA star LeBron James and CNN host Don Lemon.

    “The president is always interested in race-baiting,” Ryan said late Saturday on MSNBC. “He’s always interested in finding a black person or a brown person to call ‘dumb’ or to stereotype in some way.”

    Ryan, who represents the Ohio congressional district that includes Akron, praised James for the “good work” he has done for the community, including millions of dollars in donations for youth clubs and schools, and donations of food and clothing for under-privileged youth. “He’s been one of the premier citizens for the city of Akron, not just the star basketball player and a great role model,” Ryan said. “He’s given back.”

    “That’s the kind of leadership we need in this country, not the kind we’re getting in the White House,” he added.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/400431-ohio-dem-says-trump-is-race-baiting-after-lebron-attacks-hes-always-looking

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    1. One man paid to build a school in his home town. The other one paid a porn star to keep quiet.

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    2. Another Dem darling Pres had Monica give him BJ’s in the Oval Office. “That’s just about sex” cried the Libs.

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    3. Trump gave them in Helsinki.

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    4. And then invited Putin to visit him in the White House.

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    5. I’ll take Bill getting hanky panky any day compared to this loser traitor.

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    6. Bill Clinton and trump the same.
      This guys post it true- the black person trump calls dumb is doing more good

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  7. Q are more of the braindead, uneducated, uninformed typical dump a-hole followers. Just with new signs.

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  8. If i hadn't read that article, I'd swear the left was as usual, unhinged.
    How does it feel to have competition in craziness no longer an exclusive for Progressive Liberals?

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    1. We've always had you.

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    2. 8:32, yes, the right certainly is stable and not unhinged. Hilarious. Heard any news about your idiot savior Dump lately? Pull your head out, you need some 02.

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    3. I can't recall the left lunatics being paid to attend any presidential political rallies.

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    4. 8:32 is a jihadist

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  9. I like the shirts that read "you are very fake news".

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    1. Says the Fox News junkie.

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  10. Give the man credit, King James hasn't taken a knee, instead he built a school.
    Hope the NFL players take note.

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    1. LaBron built a school for kids. Trump puts kids in cages. I think the NFL players took note of that.

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    2. Melania backs LeBron after Trump insult: He's 'working to do good things'

      First lady Melania Trump voiced support for LeBron James on Saturday after President Trump went after the NBA star on Twitter, questioning his intelligence.

      A spokeswoman for the first lady said in a statement that James is "working to do good things" with his new school for at-risk children in his hometown of Akron, Ohio.

      “It looks like LeBron James is working to do good things on behalf of our next generation and just as she always has, the First Lady encourages everyone to have an open dialogue about issues facing children today," first lady spokeswoman Stephanie Grisham told the Associated Press.

      Her comment came hours after the president jabbed James on Twitter and questioned his intelligence, prompting pushback and statements of support on the player's behalf.

      http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/400398-melania-breaks-with-trump-lebron-is-working-to-do-good-things

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    3. Footballers aren’t your little monkeys to dance around and obey for you. Take the knee until racists and goons like you like trump are out of our institutions

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  11. There you go Salon link attempting to rewrite history. It was/is the Democratic Party that was clinging onto slavery in America.
    Now, the party says it is just encouraging new illegal immigrants to vote in US elections by making false promises.

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    1. The KKK now votes Republican.

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    2. That’s like saying Ford still sells the Model T. It doesn’t.

      The kkk and white nationalists left the Dems long ago for the Republican Party that embraces them.

      Troll 9:13 knows this but prefers lies.

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    3. 10:00 here. Correction: Troll 8:44

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    4. 8:44 has been called out on this bs insinuation multiple times. Pure troll

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  12. 6:38am not a fan of the movie "Death of a Nation" out in theaters now.

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  13. Your words "finding a black or brown person to call dumb".
    Well consensus polls show that the "dumb" people have increased in support of our President 29%.

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  14. I know, right 7:49am. Like when Hillary faked her fainting spells caught on video, after speaking to groups of her "deplorable" people.

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    1. Is this one of those Q conspiracy theories?

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    2. Can you tell me, just in plain speech, and without venomous attacks, why you won't dismiss the Clintons? The Democrats have; the Clintons will never be in any kind of power positions again.
      Or is there a belief that somehow they rule the world?

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    3. Clintons are not in the White House.

      Russian whataboutism.

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  15. Regardless of what group you spotlight, the anger from the right in this country is a direct reaction to the intolerance of the liberal progressives, who fight for tolerance, but are in actuality the most intolerant group of people in this country. There is currently a strong push by these whacks to divert the country from the Christian values and morals the country was founded on, and 80% of people still identify with Christianity in recent polls. It's Newton's 3rd Law in full effect. Trump's racist for enforcing laws that have been on the books for years, but have been ignored, getting us on a fast track to becoming a third world hell hole? We see that first hand in the San Gabriel Valley where the demographic change is unprecedented in U.S. history. The minorities vote heavily Democrat because they're indoctrinated when they go through the citizenship process, and they know it's the party of freebies and hand outs. It's why Ted Kennedy shut down European immigration in the 60's and opened the flood gates to the third world countries. The Democrat party was struggling to keep it's head above water at that time and he knew that would secure a more solid future for the party.

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    1. Awww. Da widdle Q-pees are victims! Everybody have a sad right now.

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    2. 8:56, I think that what you say about a political party making decisions about immigration that will benefit the party sounds logical. Politics is a murky business at best. However, all of this rage - what's that about? Life is really so good for so many in this country, whatever their origins, and it confuses me that these extremist groups don't seem to get that, but instead follow their rage to dystopian ends.

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    3. The 8:56 rage is comon mantra from the right. Let’s take one of his/her kids or grandkid and separate from parents and dump in a cage and see if they change their tune. Yes, you idiot, all the people running from persecution have only Intent of making USA a “hellhole”. Ignorant shallow minded punk you are.

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    4. Christian morals and values like pu**y grabbing, serial adultery, paying off porn stars, taking children from their parents, locking children in cages, not paying employees and contractors, multiple bankruptcies, money laundering, embracing kkk and white nationalism, taking orders from KGB Putin, and on and on.

      Those Christian values? If so, the Dems should be proud to be “intolerant.”

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    5. This post was cut and pasted directly from another liveleak conversation

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    6. 10:09, thanks for that accurate list.

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    7. Ok Just wondering How did a Senator from Mass. "shut down European immigration"?

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  16. 9:20am nothing else better to do with their time...

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    1. Many of those attending Trump rallies have been paid to do so. They act out in insane ways because they think it will get them more work.

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  17. Whoopsie!

    Jay Sekulow: 'Bad information' in false statements on Trump Tower meeting

    Jay Sekulow, an attorney for President Donald Trump, said Sunday that he made a mistake by denying Trump was involved in a misleading statement last year on Donald Trump Jr.'s meeting at Trump Tower with a Russian attorney.

    "I had bad information at that time and made a mistake in my statement," Sekulow said on ABC's "This Week." "I've talked about that before. That happens when you have cases like this."

    Last year, Sekulow denied Trump had signed off on a statement responding to revelations in The New York Times about the meeting Trump Jr. and other top Trump campaign hands had in June 2016 after being told about the opportunity to receive Russian dirt on Hillary Clinton. That initial statement from Trump Jr. said the meeting primarily concerned "a program about the adoption of Russian children." But after further Times reporting revealed the motivation related to Clinton, Trump Jr. then issued a new statement acknowledging an offer of allegedly damaging information on Clinton and the Democratic Party, and he ultimately published his emails related to the meeting.

    White House press secretary Sarah Sanders later admitted last year that Trump "weighed in" on the initial misleading statement about the Trump Tower meeting, and Trump's legal team sent a letter to special counsel Robert Mueller in January acknowledging that Trump had "dictated" the initial statement.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jay-sekulow-bad-information-in-false-statements-on-trump-tower-meeting/ar-BBLwssJ?li=BBnb7Kz

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    1. Well, now that he’s a witness in the obstruction of justice investigation, he should withdraw as Russian Asset Trump’s attorney and RAT should waive attorney-client privilege so Sekolow can speak with Mueller’s team and put the issue to rest.

      That’s what innocent people would do.

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  18. We know that Russians are reading the Tattler. So do you think it works like this, they read our comments and get ideas about what to exacerbate, what to avoid?

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    1. Not saying what is on your mind because you fear it might offend someone working for America's enemies is probably just what they're hoping for.

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    2. Project much, 10:39?

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    3. TRE45ON much, 11:37?

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    4. Yes the rhetorical ‘much?’ guy, in addition to wearing out that cliche, borders on treasonous at times

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    5. Nit picky Putin apologist.

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  19. That's why it's time to improve your commenting recreation.

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  20. VOTE BLUE FOR AMERICA.
    VOTE RED FOR RUSSIA.

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  21. When the saints come marching in to get rid of the devil in the white house.

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  22. Randy Newman,,,, Drop the big one. That song reflects Trumps crazy group. And where will they drop it, California for sure.

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  23. President Trump has denied reports he’s worried about Donald Trump Jr.’s legal jeopardy, yet in the same tweet, he has acknowledged his son met with Russian representatives “to get information on an opponent.” Last year, when news of the June 2016 encounter at Trump Tower broke, the president helped draft a misleading statement that it was primarily about adoptions. Then Trump Jr.’s emails showed it was about getting “dirt” on Hillary Clinton. The president claims he didn’t know about the meeting beforehand but says this is “totally legal and done all the time in politics.” In fact, U.S. law prohibits foreign nationals from contributing anything of value to American political campaigns. The meeting has emerged as a central part in special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation.

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-russia-don-jr-20180805-story.html#nws=mcnewsletter

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