Thursday, April 25, 2019

Impeach Donald Trump? Obstruction of justice is a crime. The decision is clear.

Mod: Face it, it is Trump's big fat mouth that is taking him straight to an impeachment vote in the House of Representatives. Proof that the damned fool should have learned long ago to keep his trap shut. If he had we wouldn't be talking about the possibility of impeachment today.

Impeach Donald Trump? Obstruction of justice is a crime. The decision is clear. (The New York Times link): The Mueller report has been released, with redactions of course, and it is a damning document. Not only does it detail Russian efforts to attack our election to help the Trump campaign and the Trump campaign’s eager acceptance of that help, it paints a picture of Donald Trump as an unethical man with no regard for the rule of law.

In this report, we see a president who doesn’t deserve to be president. We see attempts over and over to obstruct justice, which in some cases succeed.

The question is: What are we going to do about it? Obstruction of justice is a crime. If Trump committed that crime, he’s a criminal. Are we simply going to allow a criminal to sit in the Oval Office and face no consequence? Are we simply going to let the next presidential election be the point at which Trump is punished or rewarded?

It is maddening to think that we are at such a pass. But, my mind is made up: I say impeach him.

I know all the arguments against.

First, even if the House voted to impeach Trump, the Senate would never vote to convict and remove him. This is the “failed impeachment” theory.

But, I say that there is no such thing as a failed impeachment. Impeachment exists separately from removal. Impeachment in the House is akin to an indictment, with the trial, which could convict and remove, taking place in the Senate. The Senate has never once voted to convict.

So, an impeachment vote in the House has, to this point, been the strongest rebuke America is willing to give a president. I can think of no president who has earned this rebuke more than the current one.

And, once a president is impeached, he is forever marked. It is a chastisement unto itself. It is the People’s House making a stand for its people.

Then there is the idea that an impeachment would be contentious and increase public support for Trump the way it did for Bill Clinton.

But I find the conflation of Clinton and Trump ill-reasoned on the issue of the public’s response in polling.

First, Clinton’s approval was subject to change in a way Trump’s is not. Clinton experienced a 40-point swing in his approval over his presidency, according to Gallup. Trump’s seems almost impervious to change, no matter the news.

People either love Trump or hate him. Impeachment will most likely not change that any more than Trump seeing fine people among Nazis or locking children in cages.

Furthermore, Clinton jumped 10 points, from 63 percent 73 percent, just after the House voted to impeach him. But, five month later, those gains had vanished and then some. His approval rating sank to 53 percent. I’m tired of all the fear and trepidation.

Senate Republicans are worried about getting on the wrong side of the Republican base.

Mitt Romney wrote in a statement on Friday, “I am sickened at the extent and pervasiveness of dishonesty and misdirection by individuals in the highest office of the land, including the President.”

But, will that sickness give birth to action? No, if the last two years is our guide. This is the strongest statement among Republican senators, but it is as toothless as a baby’s mouth. This admonition is idle. House Democrats, at least the leadership, are afraid of looking like they have a blood lust and inadvertently increasing Trump’s chances of re-election.

Folks, this is not the 1990s. Until 1996, CNN was the only cable news network. Facebook, Twitter and Instagram didn’t exist. Google wasn’t founded until 1998. Cellphones were in their infancy, and few people had them.

Furthermore, the massive — and growing — amount of campaign spending will drown out anything that happened months prior. In 1996, Clinton raised $42 million for his re-election bid; in 2012, Obama raised a billion for his.

And finally, there was no President Trump in the 1990s producing a head-scratching number of headlines each day. Trump can’t ride a victory nor will he be crestfallen in defeat. There would likely be untold new outrages even after an impeachment.

As for me, I’m afraid of lawlessness and the horrible precedent it would set if Congress does nothing.

On Friday, Senator Elizabeth Warren wrote on Twitter that “the House should initiate impeachment proceedings against the President of the United States.”

In another tweet she explained: “To ignore a President’s repeated efforts to obstruct an investigation into his own disloyal behavior would inflict great and lasting damage on this country, and it would suggest that both the current and future Presidents would be free to abuse their power in similar ways.”

I worry that inaction enshrines that idea that the American president is above America’s laws. I worry that silent acquiescence bends our democracy toward monarchy, or dictatorship.

As Thomas Paine wrote in 1776, “In America the law is king.” He continued: “For as in absolute governments the king is law, so in free countries the law ought to be king; and there ought to be no other.”

Who will we let be king in this country, the president or the law?

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41 comments:

  1. Yes, the decision IS clear. But the Universe doesn't care. For the past 2+ years many of us have been amazed / shocked / disgusted that our "politicians" could stoop so low and still act greater than thou, but these are the fools that have always been enabled and we've let them get to positions in our country where they have power/money and are emboldened to use the same tactics they used on the playgrounds when they were kids. These idiots should (IMO) all be removed and replaced, but again, if what has transpired in the last 2+ years hasn't caused a change yet, I fear that change aint coming, because the Universe doesn't care, and all our shining a light(s) on all the idiocy and wrongdoing crap just doesn't seem to get them baddies gone. Nothing but more talking/yelling/accusing/blaming. But, still I'm hopefully. I know someday No. 45 will go away, and I hope we clean his cronies out too. I'm so done paying for their asses with my hard earned taxes. Happy Thursday.

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  2. Maybe not such a good choice. They have other ways to deal with this before we get to that point. Which stops all investigations into his activities. Except this one his girlfriend Lyndsey Graham will oversee.

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  3. 10 episodes where Trump might have obstructed justice
    Transcript: The Mueller report reveals 10 instances when Trump's conduct raised potential legal issues.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/18/mueller-report-transcript-trump-obstruction-justice-1281245

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  4. Michael Cohen was secretly recorded by actor Tom Arnold talking about his crimes and Trump

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/04/24/michael-cohen-talks-crimes-trump-recorded-call-tom-arnold/3564902002/

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    1. I read that too - what a weird article... said they have known each other for "months". How weird is that, and when was the last time you were recording your phone calls with a new friend? Dude that's strange!

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    2. Whatever it takes to get the truth out.

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    3. You think you are going to find the truth with Michael Cohen?

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    4. We stand a far better chance than with Donald.

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    5. Actually, it really is easier to get to the truth with Donald. It's always the opposite of what he says.

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  5. Trump campaign won't commit to staying away from hacked material

    WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump’s re-election campaign is refusing to publicly state that it will not use hacked materials to its advantage — in glaring contrast with the Democratic National Committee and a long list of the party's 2020 candidates who have pledged not to do so.

    The investigation into Russian election meddling by special counsel Robert Mueller found that the Russian government not only interfered in the 2016 race in "sweeping and systematic fashion," but it also made helping Trump win a priority.

    Mueller's report, made public last week, said that while investigators had found no criminal conspiracy between the campaign and the Russians, the Trump team expected to "benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts."

    In February, the field of Democratic presidential hopefuls all declared they would not take advantage of illegally obtained information. Most of those campaigns (including Sens. Cory Booker of New Jersey; Bernie Sanders of Vermont; Kamala Harris of California; Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota; Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts; and former HUD Secretary Julián Castro) have confirmed to NBC News that their positions remain unchanged.

    In February, the Trump campaign chose not to state their position on using such information and, on Wednesday, neither the campaign nor the Republican National Committee responded to repeated requests for comment.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna998156

    Traitors.

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    1. Will the dems commit to the same thing...ala the Steele Dossier lies?

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    2. Still in denial on the pee tapes, eh?

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    3. Have you seen them? Do you get it on your porn package?

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    4. Please list the items in the Conservative initiated Steele Dossier that have been disproven.

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    5. You mean the conservative initiated and Clinton supplemented doosssier?

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    6. Can't come up with that list, huh, 3:36?

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    7. Can't get over the pee pee tapes, huh, 6:50?

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    8. I don't care about the prurient part of which you obsess, 6:58. Steele himself gave only a 50% chance of it being true.

      Overall, Steele assessed that his opposition research would be 70–90% accurate.

      So rather than offering weak straw man quips, provide your list of dossier items that have been proven false. Surely, a seasoned intelligence agent like you should be able to list something.

      Let me help help you a bit: You may not want to waste any time assessing the appearances of Cohen and Manafort in the dossier!

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  6. Republicans for Impeaching the President
    Yes, there are wingnuts who want to go after Rod Rosenstein. But shouldn’t the media pay more attention to GOP critics of Trump’s high crimes and misdemeanors?

    https://www.thenation.com/article/republicans-impeaching-president/

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  7. Republicans do have a choice.

    Bill Weld calls on Trump to resign, calling him a 'one-man crime wave'

    GOP presidential candidate Bill Weld is calling on President Trump to resign from office in the wake of Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian election interference and obstruction of justice, calling him “a one-man crime wave.”

    Writing in the conservative website The Bulwark, Weld, the former Massachusetts governor, argues that the Mueller report exposed a serious credibility problem for Trump.

    “How can a president function if he instinctively lies to not only the public but to his own staff? There is one essential truth that leaps from the pages of the Mueller report: No one can trust Donald Trump,” he writes.

    Weld covers many of the Mueller report’s findings to bolster his argument: There is evidence suggesting Trump at least attempted to obstruct justice, several of the president’s associates have been convicted of crimes, and the redacted referrals to other prosecutors suggest there’s more to be uncovered.

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2019/04/24/bill-weld-calls-donald-trump-resign/3syJJUWKJM982u1WqUYNSP/story.html

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  8. NRA busted giving Trump 9,259 times the legal limit: Bombshell campaign finance lawsuit

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/04/nra-busted-giving-trump-9259-times-legal-limit-bombshell-campaign-finance-lawsuit/

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  9. Democrats shouldn't fear the 30% who are Trump supporters.

    How can anyone fear whiny cowards who blame everyone else for their ignorance, lack of skills, and inability to handle modern economic and cultural life? That 30% are kindred spirits of people like Trump, the type of people who claim they don't need no book learnin,' who brag about cheating on their taxes, and who think receiving more than the correct amount of change from a teenage cashier is a victory that makes them smart.

    F' them and their leader.

    Hold hearings every day showing the liar's manifold crimes. Release his tax returns and show how little he pays, how he rips off the honest tax payer, and how we have been subsidizing his lavish lifestyle for years. Hold more hearings showing the flow of cash to him from Russia and through complicit banks to him from Russia. Show how he steals from his tax exempt organization, how he launders money, and how he reports different valuations under penalty of perjuries for his properties, depending on the purpose (i.e. for property taxation, insurance, collateral for loans).

    Hold hearings each and every day. Subpoena his people and make them testify. Lock up those who refuse to honor the subpoenas without taking the 5th. Present the documentary evidence in the hearings and post all the evidence online.

    Then impeach the lying sociopath.

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  10. How low can you go? She admitted that she LIED to investigators and the PRESS just like her boss (djt) does like a good communist or dictator's do to the FREE PRESS. Question should she be charged with crimes also so her and her boss can have a joining cells? https://www.rawstory.com/2019/04/sarah-sanders-will-take-questions-first-time-two-months-children/

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  11. Love, love, love how the New York writer says " the people's house" and "we". Who is this " we" this opinion writer speaks of and who reads the New York Times!
    Trump Derangement Syndrome groupies don't count as "we". They claim a "special place" in the world of ADD.

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  12. The party of diversity just added another candidate; this makes 20.
    The other old white or white privilege guy, Uncle Joe, just added his ethnicity to the "party of change"!

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    1. Damn. A Trumper complaining a white guy. Is this a special day?

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    2. Charlottesville is for Trumpers what Woodstock is for hippies.

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  13. Laugh of the day, thank you poster 8:52am. Tax returns for viewing who gives or donates the least amount of money to tax deductible organizations.
    Those stats are public knowledge; Liberals give the least abount of monetary donations yearly.

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    1. When will Donald release his tax returns?

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    2. Sounds like you’re in favor of releasing tax returns so the public can compare. Agreed.

      Now please stroll over to the Kremlin and tell Trump’s boss to direct Trump to release his tax returns.

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    3. Who did Donald donate too?

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  14. Why should he? 10:09am

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  15. This update just released in public; Kim jon ILL attempting to provoke the Sleeping Giant sent a medical bill from his Hermit Kingdom asking that the United States pay expenses for Otto Warmbiers medical care for 2 million dollars.
    In essence; paying for the release of American hostage.
    Now Americans understand and have more insight as to what diplomat discussions sometimes involve; keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.

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    1. You are my best friend

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    2. $2 million for murdering an American? That Don Trump, he is so tough a deal maker.

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    3. Small price to pay in comparison to the millions of Koreans that America murdered

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    4. More proof that Trump supporters are anti-American.

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    5. Trump said Kim was "very honorable".

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    6. Remember that, in Hanoi, President Trump said he believed Kim Jong Un didn't know about Otto Warmbier's death. "He tells me that he didn’t know about it, and I will take him at his word...I don’t believe he would have allowed that to happen."

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    7. Did Trump reach any conclusions whether Kim knew about his own orders to kill his own half brother?

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