Wednesday, November 27, 2019

Tricky Trump: No, the new CNN poll is not good news for Donald Trump on impeachment

Mod: The pro-impeachment polling numbers for Trump are very high, and outside of Nixon have never been seen before. The next time some nitwit Trumper raises the exciting topic of impeachment polls, kindly remind him or her of this key controversial fact.

No, the new CNN poll is not good news for Donald Trump on impeachment (CNN link): A new CNN poll shows that half the country believes that President Donald Trump should be not only impeached by the House, but also removed from office by the Senate.

That result is being spun in some corners of the internet as great news for Trump, because that 50% number is unchanged from a CNN poll in mid-October, the conclusion being that the last 10 days of public impeachment hearings have not convinced more of the public that the President needs to go.

Except that we are missing the forest for the trees here: A majority of the country believes the current President of the United States should be impeached and removed from office! A quick check of history shows how strange that is.

The peak of support for the impeachment and removal of then-President Bill Clinton in 1998 was 29% in CNN polling. That's the highest that number ever went, despite the fact that the House Republican majority did vote to impeach late that year!

Ditto impeachment sentiment for the two presidents between Clinton and Trump. In a 2006 CNN poll, 30% of the public wanted George W. Bush impeached and removed from office; in 2014, 33% said the same of Barack Obama. (Unlike Trump and Clinton, neither Bush nor Obama ever faced any sort of formal impeachment investigation or vote.)

What those historical numbers tell us is that for at least the last two decades, there is roughly 30% of the country that is ready to impeach a president (usually of the party to which they do not belong) at all times.

What makes the Trump number so remarkable, then, is that 20% more of the public is now convinced not only that he should be impeached but that he should be removed from office -- despite the fact that, unlike Clinton, Bush and Obama when those CNN polls were taken, Trump will face voters in a bid for a second term in less than a year's time.

Now, it is fair to say that Democrats -- if you gave them truth serum at the conclusion of last week's public impeachment hearings -- believed they had hit a home run, and that polling would reflect that. That polling so far hasn't changed all that much is worth noting.

So that point is right -- for now. But it's also worth noting that we are in the immediate aftermath of the hearings, and its findings may not have fully seeped into the public consciousness just yet. And more importantly, whether it's 50% or 51% or 55%, it's noteworthy that a majority of the public wants the President gone.

Don't get so close to the painting that you can't see the full picture. And that full picture is this: 50% of the public believes Trump should be impeached and removed -- almost double the amount who have said that about any of his three most recent predecessors, including one who was actually impeached by the House.

Don't lose sight of those facts amid the narrow focus on whether the impeachment numbers have moved since the last poll. That 50% number is both astounding and ahistorical.

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43 comments:

  1. ‘RUSSIAN’ REPUBLICANS ENDORSE PUTIN’S (AND THUS TRUMP’S) VISION FOR AMERICA

    It’s this simple: Republicans who endorse Donald J. Trump’s actions as the current Oval Office occupant support Russia’s takeover of the United States.

    When they sing along with congressional Republicans that the impeachment inquiry is a “witch hunt,” just another attempt to oust the criminally inclined, wannabe dictator of our country, they are supporting Russia and Vladimir Putin’s main foreign policy objective, namely a bloodless takeover of the United States.

    https://exjournalistsunite.wordpress.com/2019/11/27/russian-republicans-endorse-putins-and-thus-trumps-vision-for-america/

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  2. ‘Sex is probably the one thing you can’t blackmail Donald Trump over’: Steele dossier producer discusses Russia’s — and Trump’s — corruption

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/11/sex-is-probably-the-one-thing-you-cant-blackmail-donald-trump-over-steele-dossier-producer-discusses-russias-and-trumps-corruption/

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  3. ‘His perfect D cups’: Internet collectively gags at Trump bragging about his ‘gorgeous chest’

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/11/his-perfect-d-cups-internet-collectively-gags-at-trump-bragging-about-his-gorgeous-chest/

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    1. Actual Trump quote from the Florida rally:

      "Sir, take off your shirt and show us your gorgeous chest. Show us. We've never seen a chest like it." He also riffed on about Ron Desantis's body.

      Maybe he is missing Vlad.

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  4. All of the people who say Trump is guilty have testified under oath.

    All of the people who say Trump is innocent have refused to testify under oath.

    Go figure.

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    1. Impeach the fake tan man.

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    2. draw and quarter him!

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    3. Not sure he’s worth a quarter.

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  5. ‘Only did the right thing when he got caught’: Trump reportedly knew of whistleblower complaint when he unfroze Ukraine aid

    “It was only until he felt that he was being exposed that he actually stepped up and actually released the funds.”

    President Donald Trump was reportedly aware of the whistleblower complaint against him when he released $390 million in frozen military aid to Ukraine in early September, prompting allegations that Trump only released the funds because his actions came under serious scrutiny.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/11/only-did-the-right-thing-when-he-got-caught-trump-reportedly-knew-of-whistleblower-complaint-when-he-unfroze-ukraine-aid/

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  6. GEORGE CONWAY SHARES POLLS SHOWING MORE AMERICANS WANT TRUMP IMPEACHED AND REMOVED THAN NIXON BEFORE

    George Conway, the conservative attorney and husband of Counselor to the President Kellyanne Conway, shared polls on his Twitter Tuesday that show more Americans want Trump impeached and removed from office than those who wanted Richard Nixon removed from office before his 1974 resignation.

    https://www.newsweek.com/george-conway-shares-polls-showing-more-americans-want-trump-impeached-removed-nixon-before-he-1474241

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  7. Impeachment, the Democrats and Putin's poodle

    ... But the precedent will not, in any meaningful way, be the Democrats' fault. The Republican members of Congress, like the president, continue to spout conspiracy theories, even after they have been briefed by U.S. intelligence that the theories are not only false but also started by Russian intelligence. As for the president, if anything has become even more clear from these hearings than it was before, Trump is Russian President Vladimir Putin's poodle. That this fact does not disturb Republicans is horrifying and makes them into martinets, too. (Poodlettes?) Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell took umbrage at being labelled "Moscow Mitch" earlier this year. Turns out the problem may not have been that the nickname was ridiculous, but that it was a little too close to the truth for comfort.

    https://www.ncronline.org/news/opinion/distinctly-catholic/impeachment-democrats-and-putins-poodle

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    1. No Trump supporter is comfortable with their hero being labeled a traitor. Because if true what does that say about them?

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    2. Fake experts and cherry picking: How Trump and his supporters employ the same faulty tactics as anti-vaxxers and flat earthers

      https://www.rawstory.com/2019/11/fake-experts-and-cherry-picking-how-trump-and-his-supporters-employ-the-same-faulty-tactics-as-anti-vaxxers-and-flat-earthers/

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  8. Donald looks particularly orange in that photo; you can really see the fake tan lines around his eyes and hairline.

    Just a bit overboard on the basting sauce perhaps?

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    1. Racist...judging people by their color.

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  9. Who watches CNN? It has long been established that network only reports fake news.
    Once again CNN gets their story wrong, go figure, the polls are 50% in favor of President Trump getting reelected in 2020 not 50% for impeachment. No wonder CNN can't get any Neilson ratings on their opinion pieces, they always feature fake reporting and news.

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  10. All the House of Representatives testified under oath to do the People's work and they are refusing; vote the Democrat bumps out.

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    1. Ivan must have a few "bumps" on his head.

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  11. Could (djt) really be a larger than life Pee-wee Herman?

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    1. Phew (djt) guy! Had to scroll all the was down here to see you. Was worried the communists finally got you.

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    2. A day without the (djt) idiot cutting and pasting, is like a day with sunshine!

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  12. Perhaps the orange dye chemicals has gotten to the brain ?

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  13. Throw another fun fact on the Barbee for the public to see. Rudy G, is a honorary mayor of obscure Ukraine village. https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Rudy-Giuliani-has-curious-links-to-a-Jewish-14866085.php

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  14. Libs want Thanksgiving to be renamed day of mourning; bunch of elites attempting to make themselves relevant.

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    1. Whatever you say, Tucker. In your honor can we change it to Treason Day?

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    2. At 9:19’s house it is called “stuff your fat useless ass” day.

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    3. Wouldn't "elites" by definition already be relevant with non-elites less so, foo'?

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    4. Sure hope 9:19 has no offspring.

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  15. Hmm. an independent thinker yet still tossing around playground names.
    Alright foo u is partially there in admitting ur Liberal ways ain't working.
    Vote Trump in 2020.

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    1. Trump is going to be impeached. Try dealing with it like an adult.

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    2. Someone has to be the first impeached then reelected president.

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    3. Ever heard of a guy names Bill Clinton, knucklehead?

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    4. Foo' isn't a playground name--it's descriptive.

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  16. Regarding the comment of 7:10....actually the House of Representatives (ie...democrats mostly) have passed many, many bills which as required, they sent to the Senate where they refuse to address them or vote on them. Who is trying to do their jobs?

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  17. Thanksgiving Day should be renamed, thank you "we saved your European butts" from starving to death. Butt then again you all did reward us, by stealing, cheating and murdering the real American natives. Have a nice day, we are not!

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  18. I’m thankful I live in a country that can civilly remove a president from power.

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  19. Both 2:12pm's great jokes of the day, thanks.

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  20. There is more meaning to witness testimonies, everyone one was on the same page. Then everyone was in on the take, take as much as you can for yourself. Just like what the Nazis did and their world fell apart too! https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Giuliani-was-in-talks-to-be-paid-by-Ukraine-s-top-14866932.php

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  21. There must be a good reason why the National Debt has risen $1.3 trillion dollars since 2018 thanksgiving? I am sure (djt) aka mr. bankruptcy has a perfectly good answer? Like hell he does, he is as crazy as a bed bug. https://www.cnsnews.com/article/washington/terence-p-jeffrey/federal-debt-13-trillion-last-thanksgiving-10137-household

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  22. Didn't see this one coming out of left field? If this is true then all hell will break lose very soon? https://www.thewrap.com/gordon-sondland-e-u-ambassador-embroiled-in-impeachment-inquiry-accused-of-sexual-misconduct/

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