Tuesday, January 31, 2012

John Harabedian and Columbus Day

In fourteen hundred and ninety-two, Columbus sailed the ocean blue - "In 1492"

Meaningful political coverage can be rare in this town. Sure you get pictures of candidates with ambulances and fire trucks, several petite interviews that don't go very far, plus the infamous list of perfunctory pop culture preferences. But what does all of that really mean when you are looking for the true essence and character of a City Council candidate? Not very much I am afraid.

But that is where The Tattler comes in. We feel that for people to truly understand where a candidate is coming from, you're going to have to find something of actual importance, and then get it out before the people to see how it plays. And since this blog is not endorsing anyone (we love all the candidates and have no idea of who we're going to vote in April) we get to cover anything we like. We want The Tattler to be your source for the information you need to make the right choice. And if not that, then at least for some cheap entertainment.

Back in October of 2002 then Yale undergraduate John Harabedian, along with a classmate by the name of Matthew D. Houk, penned an essay entitled "Sharing the Story of the Native Americans." Printed in the Yale Daily News (click here), the purpose was to promote something called "Indigenous Peoples' Day." The indigenous people in this case being Native Americans, also known as American Indians. Indigenous meaning that they were here first. Or at least as far as we can tell.

There's also what the authors likely felt was a high moral purpose. That being to undo an historic wrong, one committed by none other than Christopher Columbus, the intrepid Italian explorer credited with the discovery of what was then known as the New World. The punishment to be exacted being the replacement Columbus Day with a new holiday, one in honor of those people already here when he happened upon the place.

Which would be controversial in itself. After all, Columbus Day is a revered holiday for many in this country, and a day off for the rest. But what takes this little trip to a whole new level is just how serious the authors of this piece felt Columbus' supposed crimes really were. Would you believe they place him at an Adolph Hitler level of nefarious historical infamy? Godwin's Law aside, there are 5 Nazi accusations made in just the passages I quote below.

Here is how the authors made their argument:

According to Ward Churchill in "A Little Matter of Genocide," by the time of Columbus' departure in 1500, the native population had been reduced from as many as 8 million to about 100,000, and by 1514, with his policies still a part of the institution of government he created, the native population had dropped to a low of 22,000.

Granted, many of the deaths were the result of disease, but does this in any way absolve them from any guilt? It is widely known that many of the deaths during the Holocaust resulted from disease and the terrible working conditions of prisoners were subjected to, but these deaths are still seen as part of the total loss resulting from Nazi policies and are not justified by saying that the Nazis "may have erred in their ways" and "cannot be blamed for inadvertently spreading germs" within the prison population.


And, not all germs were spread "inadvertently" as Clyne would like to believe. It is well known among the educated community that Lord Jeffery Amherst instructed his men to use smallpox-contaminated blankets to "extirpate" the Ottawas. Given these widely known facts, we fail to see how our comparison to the suffering of indigenous peoples in the Americas with the suffering of the Europeans at the hands of the Nazis in anyway "lacks historical integrity and disrespects the victims of Nazi genocide."

Columbus Day, while seen by many as the great beginning of "democracy, liberty, human rights, the belief in a transcendent god, and liberal education" in what was to become known as the United States, is seen by us as the great beginning of the Native American Holocaust. While the experience of the Europeans at the hands of the Nazis embodies the true meaning of the word (to be consumed by flame), our holocaust was one in which our people, culture, land and ideas were consumed by the metaphorical fire that raged across the continent and continues to rage this very day.

The repetitive use of the word "Nazi" aside, this is the first time I have personally heard Christopher Columbus equated with those who practiced genocide against the Jews, Gypsies and others during the Holocaust. And I do find it hard to believe that Columbus ever made it to Canada to give infected blankets to the Ottawas. As something of a history buff I have read a lot of "out there" stuff during my life, but a lot of this definitely pushes the boundaries a bit.

In another Yale Daily News article (click here), this one entitled "Students question value of Columbus Day celebration," we see John Harabedian continuing his crusade against Columbus Day a year later.

John Harabedian '04, former president of the Association of Native Americans at Yale, ANAAY, said he thinks Columbus Day should not be celebrated at all. Instead, Harabedian said, people should recognize Indigenous People's Day. He was part of a large campus demonstration in support of Indigenous People's Day last year.

"Our activities could be seen as protest because they force people to stop and question what Columbus Day truly commemorates and to reflect on the repercussions that have resulted from the actions of such explorers like Columbus," Harabedian said. "It is important to remember that this country's founding -- and the development of most modern societies -- has cost the lives of many indigenous populations and incurred the extinction of countless numbers of human beings."

Not everyone shares in Mr. Harabedian opinions here, and among those who vigorously oppose that viewpoint is the Commission for Social Justice, the anti-defamation arm of The Order Sons of Italy in America. Writing on behalf of those organizations, and defending the reputation of what for many Italian-Americans is a great national hero, Vincent Sarno and Albert De Napoli had this to say:

For much of its history, the United States considered Columbus a man worthy of admiration. Columbus Day is one of America's oldest patriotic holidays, first celebrated in the 18th century. America has more monuments to Columbus than any other nation in the world. Generations of American school children studied his life and accomplishments. Teachers held him up as an example of a person of character, who overcame strong opposition and great disappointment, but never gave up trying to prove what he believed to be true.

Since 1992, however, the reputation of Columbus has suffered at the hands of special interest groups who have used the 15th century Renaissance navigator to further their 21st century political and social agendas.

As a result, today Columbus is often depicted as a slave trader, racist, and even "the Hitler of the 15th century." A small but vocal number of historians, journalists, text-book writers and teachers have helped spread these charges despite their questionable foundation in historical fact.

They have done so principally by judging a quintessentially Renaissance man and his actions by contemporary values. It bears noting that England did not outlaw slavery in its colonies until 1833; the United States until 1865 and Brazil in 1888. Some nations in the Mid-East, Asia and Africa continue the practice today.

Despite this controversy, Italian Americans continue to hold Columbus in high regard both for his historic achievements and also because Columbus Day is the only day our nation recognizes the heritage of an estimated 16 to 26 million Americans of Italian descent, who are relentlessly stereotyped by the entertainment, news and advertising industries the other 364 days of the year.

Sarno and De Napoli have put together some materials in defense of both Christopher Columbus and a time-honored way of viewing our nation's shared history. Each having been horribly defamed in their opinion. Called "Columbus: Facts Vs. Fiction," you can access these documents by clicking here.

http://sierramadretattler.blogspot.com/

138 comments:

  1. Right on John H., the contrarion always gets the most light. Poor Italians getting the shaft, same people brought us the Syndicate, responsible for countless deaths in this country, Thank you John H for having the nads to write something like that... John H....ya got my vote! THANXs crawford!

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    1. The only fence you are sitting on is Josh and Colins, because they share an address.

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    2. Chris is that you or Sandy posting that. Old new - colin's got my vote and now John H. does too.

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  2. maybe joan should have sent him to notre dameJanuary 31, 2012 at 6:40 AM

    It's always nice to see the undergrads at a fancy degtee mill quoting Ward Churchill so soon after 9/1/01, the victiims of which he referred to as "little Eichmanns." Also glad to see John picked up the Nazi imagery.

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    1. When I read "Ward Churchill", I knew I'd heard that name somewhere, and it wasn't good. Thanks for reminding me.

      Nope, John H. won't get my vote.

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    2. Is this the Ward Chruchill? http://www.mit.edu/~thistle/v9/9.11/1columbus.html

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  3. Wow, the Tattler never ceases to amaze me with news of fact and history. Thank you Crawford for what you bring to the table, always my first read of the day.

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  4. Tilting at windmills he is. Dumb.

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    1. John may also be taking on the IRS if he has his little shindig at St Rita. That would be a no no.

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    2. How stupid. Looks like Johnny is redefining the meaning of the word "indigenous". It mean "originating" not "arriving". Sounds like the "unit" that is "suite" and the building that has classrooms for students is not a "school". Make the up the rules as you go along to suit your needs. Everyone in North America arrived from somewhere.

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    3. Who is tilting? John H. or John C.?

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  5. I agree that the Nazi stuff is wacky - no doubt brought on by a need to shout this out in that most privileged of atmospheres - but the arrival of European civilization on the North and South American continents absolutely did result in genocide of the native populations.
    Wonder why they chose Columbus, rather than the much more suitable Cortez, or the horrific wars in the late 1800's, so meticulously researched in Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee.

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  6. If you go on that Columbus Fact or Fiction site you'll see the following:
    "Most of the native tribes Columbus found were hunter-gatherers who engaged in bloody tribal
    wars and, in the case of the Arawaks, Caribs and Canibs, slavery, torture and cannibalism."

    What is the point they are making there?
    The people were simple and bad, so whatever happened to them was OK?

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  7. I've always thought that this was a very simple matter: those who feel this land has been stolen from the "indigenous people," should simply give their piece of it back to them, and then get on a boat or plane for wherever they came from.

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  8. Should we celebrate the 4th of July? our founding fathers had slaves, killed lots of Indians, except for General Custer.

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  9. Am I inferring properly that Mr. Harabedian is a Native American?

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  10. There's another aspect to this Tattler. Mr. Harabidian's last name suggests that he may be related to Armenian ancestors, and it is common knowledge that the Armenian genocide continues to be denied and defended by the Turkish government. It makes sense to me that someone with that background might be eager to set records straight.

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  11. Lame article today John.

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    1. To each their own, but at 8:30 this morning traffic showed 1,075 page views.

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    2. GO TATTLER, GO!

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    3. Page views from obsessive commenters who keep refreshing to see if their comment has been posted yet. John Crawford and his fuzzy math.

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  12. I do not mean to be frivolous, but genocide was the way of things for most of human history.
    Still is in some places.

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    1. So that makes it ok? Way to make Sierra Madre sound like some white supremacist enclave. Awesome.

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    2. Who said anything about OK?

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  13. And this is connected to local politics how?

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  14. Former English teacherJanuary 31, 2012 at 8:52 AM

    So, should the League of Women Voters add a written component to their forum? Give the candidates 20 minutes before the questions begin to answer a question of burning importance? Like explain the difference between suites and dwelling units in 500 words or less?

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  15. Johnny H dismantled his Facebook page a few days ago. Very few candidates can withstand an indepth study of the writings of their youth. I'm thinking if today's post is any indication of the depth of his passion, he did the right thing.

    Reset the local button, Harabedian. The gloves are off.

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    1. He did not dismantle it. He switched to this fancy thing called Timeline. All of his information is there (some good nuggets too!)

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  16. It's fine he has a "cause" celeb, but we are in the beginning of an election, and I wonder what Harabedian stands for in relation to who to vote for.
    As far as I am concerned, he comes across as a Mosca wannabe,playing the role of a Democratic party shill, trying to cut his political teeth at the expense of the residents.
    Is he going to lie his way into our hearts as well?
    5:28, you are either nieve as hell, or no other than Harebedian himself.

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  17. Mr Mosca's, excuse me, Mr Harabedian's leftist agenda includes, no doubt, saving us from global warming by turning Sierra Madre into a Bart Doyle transit corridor.

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    1. Project much? Have you spoken to the candidate about his feelings on transit corridors? What else is on Mr. Harabedian's "leftist agenda"? Please, enlighten your fellow Tattlers.

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  18. Tired of it alreadyJanuary 31, 2012 at 9:06 AM

    So this is going to be about left and right.

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    1. It always is for the majority of the Fox News watching biddies who post here. They just don't get that we all want the same thing, preservation of Sierra Madre and its small town way of life.

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  19. Sierra Madre is a small, sometimes isolated, world unto itself. It's a very common sentiment in much of Latin America that Columbus and his successors did bring genocide to the indigenous people and his interest tells me that Harabedian has a strong sense of justice. All for the good.

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  20. Keep beating Harabedian up, because I want him to win. Seemed to work for your opponents last time, Crawf.

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  21. Thrashing sacred cows,symbols etc is meat and potatoes to all aspiring politicians young or old.Doing a hatchet job on Columbus and Columbus Day resonates and carries a certain cachet with a significant voter group.It is apparent Young Mr.H wishes to begin his career in his home town.He will,however,adjust his message in order to pander to the anxieties of his future constituents.

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  22. I can't wait to see him kissing babies, hugging the ladies, and glad handing the men. wretch !

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  23. Minutiae of history: Christopher Columbus appears to be of Genoan descent (Venetians - the rulers of the Italian region at the time - were disdainful of Genoa) who took up permanent residence in Portugal. He was a merchant class entrepreneur whose son later claimed that he was Italian aristocracy. But this was cover for old family debts in Genoa.

    So none of this Fifteenth century history means squat with respect to current politically correct civil rights movements; civil rights didn't exist until the American Revolution and the subsequent upheaval in Europe. Prior to that, the structures of civilization were defined by empires and monarchies, and the tools for growth and development were wars, slavery and invasion. To use modern-day analogies to WWII is just idiotic, there's no comparison to 20th-century established nations and technological warfare.

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  24. Poster 8:56. Your post suggests that Johhny H.'s article should be attributed to youthful passion and written off. But isn't Johnny H. still pretty youthful.

    I'm not ready to vote for someone who hasn't turned 30 yet -- especially for a City Council position.

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  25. Mosca with brains.

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  26. Today's blog is exactly the kind of information I want about each candidate: their thoughts, the causes they espoused, who they were before the spotlight of a campaign caught them in its glare. Young John Harabedian doesn't have a voting record with us, so we'll substitute his written record from his college days. It would have been easier before he attempted to scour the internet last week, but nonetheless, it'll come out. It may not be local, but it's still relevant.

    In the end, he may be the choice for many but the surprises may be fewer in number.

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  27. A John Harabedian supporter was overheard saying JH had a war chest of $10,000. Where did all that treasure come from?

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    1. Overheard, huh? I really want facts. I do follow the money and if I can get accurate information, it weighs heavily in my decision. If he's getting money from outside Sierra Madre then he's no good in my book. But "overheard"?

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    2. How DARE you demand facts! What gall! Without rumors and innuendo it becomes much harder to smear a candidate.

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  28. Poster 9:08. So, accurately disclosing that Harabedian thinks Columbus is responsible for Native American genocide and presenting an alternative viewpoint is "beating up on Harabedian."

    Worse, by conveying this accurate -- if unflattering information about Harabedian -- you think people will vote for him.

    You have a really low opinion of the Sierra Madre electorate.

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  29. I don't care what any of the candidates think about Columbus.
    I want to know what they intend to do about:
    1) the UUT
    2) the need to enforce Measure V
    3) SCAG and RHNA
    4) getting rid of our very expensive attorneys

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  30. He may not have yet realized 4 long years as a city councilman, for next to no pay, long hours, constant scrutiny and constant critiques are ahead.
    Perhaps he should be mayor as soon as possible, so he can leave town early, and go on to more lucrative prospects. Like our love affair with Sierra Madre Joey.

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  31. He must have had the same leftist history professor at Yale I did, parroting history in the simplistic terms and brainwashed with.

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    1. with what? Drat you and your dangling participles.

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    2. You went to Yale? Really?
      You've lowered my opinion of that fine institution.

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    3. 10:03 The participle is not dangling; the preposition is. If you are going to correct someone's grammar, then you might want to brush up on the difference between the two.

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  32. Poster 9:08. Harabedian writes an inflammatory and historically inaccurate article, then follows it up a few years later with an interview espousing the same positions. But Crawford shouldn't write about it on this blog.

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  33. 9:47 am, please, why shouldn't Crawford write about Harabedian - or anything else he wants - on his blog? I believe the choice here is for you - not to read Crawford's blog.

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    1. 9:47 was taking 9:08 to task for declaring that today's article was a slam against Harabedian. The sarcasm was lost in translation, apparently...

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  34. Me too, 9:38: What is the likelihood that a Columbus basher is for higher taxes and central planning. The likelihood is about 100%. This isn't about national politics, it's about how a train of thought is going to impact our local politics. Tax and spend, centralize and control, limit individual freedom, these are trends that we can't ignore.

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  35. Give John a Pass and Save the Pepper TreeJanuary 31, 2012 at 9:55 AM

    This is more an indictment of Yale than poor John, whose kooky screed can be dismissed as a youthful indiscretion. John's victimhood is confirmed by the fact that his lead source - the esteemed Dr. Churchill - has been convicted of the falsification of source data by his former employer - the University of Colorado.

    All John needs to do is disavow this idiocy. That, and VOW TO SAVE THE KERSTING COURT TREE FROM THAT GENOCIDAL ARBORIST DR. MENGELE WHO HAS DECREED ITS DESTRUCTION (Sorry, but I felt it necessary to use language John could relate to).

    Please note, the beloved pepper tree has survived a windstorm of historic magnitude. It has continued to bloom and provide shade. Hell, it has for 15 years aided in stopping global warming dead in its tracks! And yet it has been condmned to death for the minor sin of leaning to one side - just as it has done since its germination. This insurance industry promoted atrocity must be stopped.

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  36. Haraedian was only following the protest de jour. Would he join that movement today? I doubt it. He has joined other movements currently that are questionable though, that would relate to our City. So even if he says all the right things on his web site, beware. He is a fine young man that will eventually be an asset to the Community but we need to see him in action before we put him on the Council.

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    1. I disagree that he will eventually be an asset to the Community. At some point the young man who has invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in an education and landed a place at a international law firm will spread his wings and leave the nest. Sierra Madre will be bullet point on his curriculum vitae. Been there, done that. We'll be left with the fallout of his decisions on the Council.

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    2. So, once you've been elected to City Council you can never leave?

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    3. After you've been elected we immediately begin an impassioned campaign to cause you to leave. If that doesn't work, we try to initiate a recall.

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    4. A recall attempt won't happen unless his first vote goes against all that he stood for during the campaign a la Mosca.

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  37. He needs to cut his baby teeth on a little commission work, that way he could learn about what the needs of the residents are.

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    1. I agree 10:14. He's a newcomer to city meetings. He shows polish but not a lot of knowledge.

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  38. Here we go again, another vonderkind.....

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  40. Tattlers, you know the rules.

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  41. Nothing negative about Chris Koerber? Is that the new Tattler rule?

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    1. Interesting. Is John endorsing Koerber?

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    2. Bio break ModeratorJanuary 31, 2012 at 11:09 AM

      The Tattler policy is to endorse all candidates in this election, but please, do not detract from Mr. Harabedian's day! Stay on topic 10:55 am.

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    3. 11:09 We always get off topic. Since "all" candidates are endorsed, will there be equal opportunity given to Mr. Koerber's past? Are you, in fact, Mr. Koerber himself?

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  42. Does this mean you won't be signing on for the John Crawford for City Council write in campaign?

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  43. By writing this piece about Harabedian, all that you have done is shown me that you are scared of him. He's a smart guy. Many people share the same opinion as the one expressed in his college paper. My kid's school celebrates Indigenous People's Day, and I am proud of that.

    Who do you think the original Measure V supporters were? The Native Americans. Where do you think anti-development started? With the Native Americans.

    I am a preservationist to the core, which is why I am voting for MaryAnn. Bringing up kids' college papers is amateurish at best. Come on, John C.

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    1. Scared?
      I think Crawford is having a very good day counting the number of views his little blog is getting.
      Don't ignore his own description:
      "We want The Tattler to be your source for the information you need to make the right choice. And if not that, then at least for some cheap entertainment."
      I guess it's your pick whether this is valid information to help you assess the candidate, or entertainment.
      For me it's entertainment. I want facts about the money supporting him.
      Also, I do find it troubling that a kick off is being held in a church.

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    2. The kick- off was not held at the church's hall after all due to two individuals who called the church to complain. One of the individuals threatened legal action. If I'm not mistaken, the church's hall rents their space out to whomever would like to hold an event or party there. What's the problem with John H. wanting his kick off campaign there?

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    3. The IRS. Likes to keep separation of Church and state separate. Actually, John could have held his event at the Church's Hall, and the venue wa also offered to other candidates as well, but to their credit they all chose not to accept.

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  44. Can we write in John Crawford??? I would totally do that!

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  45. 11:17, judging by the responses, the "kid" wrote a paper that is of greater importance to some than you give it.

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    1. I have been hearing Haribidian referred to as "little Johnny Haribidian."

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  46. The Sopranos did an episode on this very controversy.

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  47. Those of us of Scandanavian ancestry get a little blame for the Viking cod fishing and their early onslaught on the nothernmost people of the western hemmisphere.

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  48. So here's what I've heard or read about Harabedian:

    1) Supported by Buchanan
    2) Blames Columbus for the genocide of Native Americans
    3) White collar criminal defense attorney
    4) Is not endorsed by Watts, Zimmerman and other supporters of Measure V
    5) Is very young and if elected would be the youngest Council Member to serve
    6) Having a campaign bash on St. Rita's property

    Are the above comments accurate?

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  49. Poster 11:17. You didn't read Crawford's article very carefully. It wasn't a college paper, but a newspaper article John H. wrote. Also, John H. gave an interview a few years later continuing to espouse the same controversial position -- a posiiton that he has never disavowed.

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    1. "Back in October of 2002 then Yale undergraduate John Harabedian, along with a classmate by the name of Matthew D. Houk, penned an essay entitled "Sharing the Story of the Native Americans."

      ANd if he had disavowed it, I suppose you would call him a flip flopper? Glad to hear that he stood by his thinking. None of this has anything to do with his campaign for city council. I support Measure V and Indeigenous Peoples Day. So what.

      Do you think he should disavow it?

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  50. I'm undecided. Can you Harabedian supporters tell me where he stands on the important issues confronting our town including the UUT, Measure V and the assisted living facility, RHNA and SCAG participation, water rate increases, C&L as our City Attorney?

    Also, if you can't tell me where he stands on those issues, why are you supporting him?

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  51. Take a population of 100 10% will be extraordinary, 60% will just be, 28% will be non contributing, and 2% will be involved in nefarious activities. (my non scientific observations) No difference; people of Color, Caucasian, Black, Asian Indigenous and Mixes will find their aformentioned place.

    Personally I liked the indigenous way of naming new arrivals. They waited until personallity characteristcs emerged and applied the appropriate moniker which usually stuck.

    In that system, John Buchanan would be "One Who Talks in Babbles", Josh Moran "A Man Who Speaks But Says Nothing", Nancy Walsh "A Woman With No Talk and No Thoughts", and from the past Joe Mosca "A Man With Forked Tounge"
    MaryAnn MacGillrav, A Short Woman Who Stands Tall. Unfortunately the Sierra Madre City Council does not fit my Percentge Model...too bad!

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  52. The campaign tsunami of slime has begun. We all know who the good candidates are. We all know exactly where they stand on our measure. I was hoping that we wouldn't have to sling mud and sit through this drivel. Tuning out 'til after election.

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  53. "We all know who the good candidates are"???
    Who's "we", and which candidates are you talking about?

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    1. Stop trolling John's site. Leave us alone!

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  54. A point of history here. Lord Jeffery Amherst is mentioned in Harabedian's article as an advocate and practicer of giving to the Indians, pox contaminated blankets. This took place (if it did indeed take place, there is some doubt)during the French-Indian war period of 1750's to 1800's. Columbus was here long before these dates so I fail to see the correlation in the accusation. Can someone please clarify for me?

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  55. The Order Sons of Italy in America??? Seriously? That's the best you've got?

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    1. Did you read what they had to say? Or are you just having a knee-jerk reaction over their being Italian?

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  56. 12:37 Excellent point! I don't care about this whole indierous peoples business. Just tell us what matters.

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  57. Well this is going to be a lively one!Most city election are yawn time.This is want we need,a spirited debate!I,m looking forward towards the next two months.Talley HO!And by the way 12;23,what campaign "Bash" at St.Rita's!!!

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    1. from the Mountain Views News, Saturday, January 28, 2012:

      Campaign Kickoffs:

      John Harabedian Saturday, February 4th 2012, at 6:30 pm at O'Mally Hall, St. Rita Parish.

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    2. Isn't having a political event at a Church against the tax law?

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  58. Obsessive and fuzzyJanuary 31, 2012 at 2:10 PM

    Looks like this article has hit a few nerves.

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  59. Seriously you are holding him accountable for an article he wrote 10 years ago at Yale?? This site really has been hijacked by the Tea Party.

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  60. There is too much hate on this site, time to start reading the Patch.

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  61. Muddy Waters:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EOwNItKOyo&feature=related

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    1. Is there any deep significant relevance here? I got so caught up in the music that I forgot to pay attention! Wonderful interlude. Thank you.

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    2. It's a response to 2:30.

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  62. ask the question again! what will happen to the church's tax status if a political kick-off (whch is always a fund raiser) is held on chruch (tax exempt) property?

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  63. I kind of doubt that the Treasury Department will be taking down the Archdiocese in an election year.

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  64. I have heard the gossipy civic club ladies love Harabedian. I usually vote for the person they don't vote for.

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    1. Yeah. Those ladies think they have political savvy; they really just vote for candidates like it's a popularity club.

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  65. Another fallacy perpetrated by revisionist historians is that the indigenous natives of this country and continent lived in peace and harmony prior to the invasion of the white man.

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    1. 4:53, so is your point that since the native peoples were not in a perfected state of grace, but were, in fact, just people, that what? Plain old people are fair game?

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    2. Who says that? Nobody says that. Give me one quote supporting your ridiculous statement.

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    3. You put a lot of faith in the accuracy of the historians.

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    4. You're going to have to be more specific 5:10. Which of the statements strikes you as ridiculous? So many to choose from today!

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  66. There is an unsettling anti-intellectualism in some of these posts. If someone takes exception to one's publically stated, and controversial ideas, the questioner is said to be expressing hatred. That's downright Orwellian. Mr. Harabedian is quoted parroting leftist propaganda that you could glom on to at PCC just as well as at Yale. I for one feel I have been warned. Harabedian is immature and Braudrick lives in Moran's house. There is a limit to the number of warnings. Sometimes you have to accept the fact that, as with the kilt, something is amiss.

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  67. Nothing wrong with the left for me. Socialist is preferable to fascist.

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    1. Socialist governments are fascist.
      What do you think Hitler's Germany was?
      Or the Soviet Union? Both faschist and socialist, one is the right wing and one is the left wing, but they belong to the same bird of prey!

      These "utopian" type Karl Marx brand of tyrannical governments have destroyed most countries on the planet, killed hundreds of millions of people, either by execution, as in Stalin's Russia and Hitler's Germany or starvation as in Communist China and North Korea.

      Give me individual liberty! Our U.S. Constitution will work, if not destroyed by these utopian "progressives".

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    2. Nazi = National Socialism

      Duh

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  68. Bottom of first story

    John Harabedian and Matthew D. Houk are juniors in Saybrook College and Jonathan Edwards College, respectively. They are co-presidents of the Association of Native Americans at Yale.

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    saybrook | Sep 29, 2000 ... to the strong play of freshmen Matt "I like to smoke...the other team's defense"
    Fitzgerald and John "There's a harem in my bed again" Harabedian, as well as ...
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  69. Why aren't you posting anything about Koerber's support for various Republican candidates? Something that actually matters in this election? Really, John Crawford?

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  70. Mod here is the whole story, from YH,


    Saybrook
    Hey Trumbull, welcome to the top of the standings. Do you think you could spare more than 1 woman soccer player next game so that we both stay here?! Thanks. When we're not forfeiting women's soccer, we're actually damn good. Led by Danica "Smith" Novgorodoff '02 and the scoring of Whitney "Amazing" Grace '02, SY is kicking butt and taking names. Our men are off to a decent start as well, thanks to the strong play of freshmen Matt "I like to smoke...the other team's defense" Fitzgerald and John "There's a harem in my bed again" Harabedian, as well as our always awesome upperclassmen. Keep up the good work, guys. Did someone say Saybrook football? We are unstoppable. Our coed team has yet to score less than 40 points in a game, behind the hard-nosed play of Phoebe "Hugh" Heffron '04, "Phat" Margaret Hodes '04 and Becky "The Machine" Jaffe '02, as well as the touchdown tandem of "Ugly" Dave Plattner '01 to Miles Hobbleday '02. Our men's team is also undefeated. On a happier note, table tennis, led by captain "Tom Selleck has a mus-" Stosh Mintek '03 is off to a good start. Frosh sensations Tiffany "Wild" Card and Jonathan "Me so" Horn "y" have been awesome. Finally, volleyball is kicking some butt as well. With the likes of Zheni "Pronounce this" Gjoka '04, Stedy "Or not, here I come" Garber '03, and the ladies' favorite, Nick "Larger than life" Brown '03, we are solid. Get used to seeing us at the top of the IM standings, because this year we're bringing the Cup home to where it belongs.
    (Compiled by some people who wish they could be called "Sir" without its always being followed by "you're making a scene.")


    Back to Intramurals...

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    1. Love it that the octogenarians have learned how to Google.

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    2. Doesn't sound like you love it, that sounds like an ageist insult, like you don't respect elders, that is not the indian way. It sounds more like the truth hurts, so quit crushing my mellow, with your screaming meme's. Besides that is a good indian name John "I have a harem in my bed" Harabedian. Reminds me of the scene in "It's a wonderful life" when George as a young boy claims he is going to have a harem, and a couple of wives too.

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  71. I find it disturbing that there are many Sierra Madre residents who think that it's wrong to criticize the positions of Council Members, or to question the qualifications of City Council candidates.

    What disturbs me even more is that these same residents accuse anybody who engages in such political discourse, including Mr. Crawford, of hate speech and cyber-bullying.

    Their attempts to muzzle our free speech rights under the guise of promoting civility and tolerance serve to undermine our system of democracy which requires the unrestricted exchange of information.

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    1. What disturbs me is that you think people have to agree with EVERYTHING John Crawford posts. I usually agree with him. Sometimes I don't. Who's muzzling whom?

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  72. 5:59, I don't see 5:44 talking about agreement with Crawford, at all. That's not what the post is about.
    Thanks 5:44, because in all the flurry and fuss it's easy for people to push the old civility pretense.

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  73. Poster 5:59. I never said that people have to agree with Mr. Crawford. I frequently disagree with him. All I said was that he engages in "political discourse." What I disagree with is calling somebody who engages in political discourse like, Mr. Crawford, a hater or a cyber-bully. It's just an ad hominem attack intended to deflect readers from the real issues. Further, the fact that I disagree with the "civility and tolerance crowd" does not mean that I want to silence them. In fact, I'd like them to say a lot more including responding to the issues Crawford raises; instead of personally attacking him or other posters on the blog.

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  74. @6:39 We are all big kids here. We know what comes in the Tattler territory. Nobody takes any of this seriously.

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  75. 6:39 You're the only one who has called John a c*yberb*lly -- twice in fact. I think you are actually Lady Wistar trying to get John's name to come up under searches of John Crawford and c*berb*lly. Pretending to be on his side... The levels you shady ladies will stoop to.

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  76. It has been ever so in Sierra Madre elections: you say you don't like someone's position and.you get back a whiney "what's the matter, don't you like Me?"

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  77. 6:39, you call THIS political discourse? Even Crawford calls this entertainment. Don't get your feelings hurt.

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  78. Thanks for letting me know John H. Is a soccer player. Definitely voting for him now. GOOOOOAAAAAALLLLLL!!!

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  79. @7:51 Whom are you slurring: Indians or Native Americans?(Do you even know?) Because it's so much better to be racist than ageist???

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